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that kind of talk is is gone I think

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that needs to be left behind

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what we're seeing is non-human

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technology at least that much

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Chris Slater welcome to lato files

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welcome to later files today we have a

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fascinating guest joining us John

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Ramirez is a retired CIA analyst with a

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wealth of experience and unique insights

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into the world of UFOs and related

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phenomena John spent many years working

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in various capacities within the

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intelligence Community specializing in

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monitoring adversary radar and ICBM

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radar detection systems since his

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retirement John has become an active

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figure in the UFO investigation

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Community sharing his perspective as a

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advocating for increased transparency

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when it comes to studying the phenomenon

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John Ramirez so as we explore his

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thoughts on UFOs his experiences as a

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CIA analyst and the world of unknown

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aerial phenomena don't forget to like

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let's bring on John Ramirez thank you

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John for being here hey Chris it's Grace

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to be on later files finally I know

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we've had discussions before when I

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first came out and I'm so happy that

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we're finally able to get together

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particularly now since we're on the

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verge of a lot of information coming out

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officially

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in the months to come so I'm happy to be

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here and answer any of your questions

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and share anything I can

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yeah excellent and yeah we've been

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keeping in touch behind the scenes

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essentially you know I was very excited

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to see when you first came out you know

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almost over a year ago now when you

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first came live and it was like a

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bombshell dropping on on the UFO

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Community you know remember you were

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just getting shot at from all different

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all different angles and it's just great

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to see that you you know you made it

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through there you realize you know you

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you went through the gauntlet and came

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out and you're still here and and

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focused on figuring out what this

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phenomena is so very happy to have here

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today yes and I recall that I did watch

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a review of all of my slides that I did

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present on another podcast and you went

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through each one one by one and later we

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we connected and I sold you in on some

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of the background of those slides and so

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or actually say a lot of the information

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that protect the North American

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continent and of course that is related

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to the balloon incidents that have

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long as it doesn't touch on what we call

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sources and methods of intelligence

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collection and intelligence title back

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balloon shootdowns just really kind of

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put uaps really in the mainstream news

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you know it seemed like they were out of

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June 25th preliminary assessment that

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came out in 2021 and then it kind of

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those balloon shootdowns right yeah

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to your audience that

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the North American continent is

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protected by a lot of sensors mostly

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their military sensors because the

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intelligence Community is not allowed to

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collect over North America

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we use commercial sensors or anything

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photographs of North America and we all

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unclassified so we do use that to the

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tune of about 300 million dollars per

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contract with maxarp Technologies to

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satellites which is quite different what

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community that commercial imagery is

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analysis because we don't have full

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coverage of every corner of the earth

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when you want it as an analyst but we do

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system and if you look at the radar

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coverage from these Radars there's not a

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entire Eastern Hemisphere that is not

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their Soviet error Radars and their

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Russian Radars and some of the Soviet

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viable they're made to last and they

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these type of Radars are not rotating

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familiar with they're fixed Radars but

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electronically very quickly

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fractions of a second they can go from

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one target to another they can cover

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from any particular radar and the newest

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radar in the Russian inventory for this

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antenna transmit receive antennas

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covering the entire surface of that

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radar and each one of those acts as an

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independent radar in fact and together

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beam and cover multiple targets

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coverage over North America from various

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radar sites including those of our

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partners the RAF filing Dales radar has

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360 degree coverage because they have

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like more than one face they have

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parts of 120 degrees times three so they

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have three faces doing 360 degrees but

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clear Alaska we have Beale Air Force

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missile defense agency's ballistic

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sensors out there both in space at Sea

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on a on a very large platform at Sea and

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also on the ground and so their job is

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to protect the North American continent

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against a ballistic missile attack and

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do that as you can see some of them here

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are surprisingly Maritime they're Navy

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surface-to-air missile systems that were

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missile Target so all together you know

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the purview of the missile defense

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cooperatively as we say in Phase or

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uncooperatively out of phase so if it's

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out of phase the being will steer toward

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balloon that was like a traditional

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round spherical balloon but some of them

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actually look like a piece or UFOs and

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erosmina hybrid airship

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saucer and if you didn't know what it

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to Lu elizondo's point they're the five

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observables and this cannot

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go into the water it cannot turn on a

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dime and pull like hundreds if not

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thousands of G's and cannot

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in any way exhibit anything that would

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be a true UAP so this is just an Airship

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for these airships and I would say that

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the airships of the late 1800s there

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were plenty of airships being designed

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and flown in the late 1800s before

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fixed-wing aircraft flown by the Wright

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brothers and the airships are coming

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expect to see a lot of these airships in

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the sky here's one from Lockheed Martin

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here's an Airship that they're designing

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called the lmh1

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and so again look at this you see it in

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the sky and you see that there are like

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air cushion systems shaping in a

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triangle underneath the fuselage of this

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Airship and you would think okay that's

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a triangular craft but airships like

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this have been tested the prototype for

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this was flown out of plant 42 Palmdale

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over California and I would imagine that

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if it's flown at night people will think

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oh my gosh that's a UFO

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but it might be an Airship again again

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it cannot like turn on a dime dive into

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the ocean or shoot up in the air

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so it's an Airship but again you know

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something like this can be seen by our

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radars so what kind of coverage do we

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have for unusual objects over North

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America and I want to introduce

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something called the north warning

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system the north warning system replaced

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the old Cold War era distant early

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warning line the Dew line that's long

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gone so now we have the north warning

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system under the U.S Northern command

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and the northern command is one of 11

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what we call unified combatant commands

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their responsibility is to protection

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of the North American continent and

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underneath northcom is what everyone

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knows nor at so NORAD is is a a tenant

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underneath

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North com and so that what they have

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access to is a system of Radars to look

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at anything that would be flying into

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American or Canadian airspace and you

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see again it's it's pretty good coverage

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as well from the various Radars that

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they show now let's take a closer look

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at one of these radars

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and this radar is called the FPS 117.

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and internally we call it the fipsy 117.

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and FPS what that stands for you need

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not worry f is like fixed site P stands

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for radar

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and S stands for I forget special

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purpose or something of that nature but

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it's 117 in the nomenclip nomenclature

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it is the one of the leading Radars sent

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to our allies around the world so

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they're everywhere 120 systems and

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worldwide operation including the United

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States

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and it's a very sophisticated radar

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so the it has automatic modes

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it just set it and forget it

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and so if you look at the next slide you

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can see that they actually advertise the

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system also can automatically

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reconfigure to address challenging

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environmental conditions or even

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different types of targets and you see

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this brochure photograph from the

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manufacturer of the radar which I

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believe is Raytheon that they showed

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like oh we can cover everything you know

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it could be an airplane it could be like

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a small object or you know anything at

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all so in terms of detecting these

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balloons that were purportedly shot down

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by the U.S Air Force you heard that they

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needed to adjust the filters in order to

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see the targets and I want to refine

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that statement a little more in depth

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these Radars transmit and adapt their

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signals their waveforms automatically

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and there's not a Target out there that

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this radar cannot detect within the

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confines of its capabilities so it's a

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fast Target the radar would adjust its

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waveforms to track that fast Target if

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it's stationary small Target there are

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waveform modes of operation to track

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that type of Target

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and it's a three-dimensional radar so

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not only is it sweeping what we call

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in azimuth

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but you also get

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elevation data and you get a range so

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the combination of Azimuth elevation and

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range is the 3D which they refer to as

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the 3D surveillance radar always out

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there transmitting and detecting signals

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what needs to happen is on the receiver

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side so it's not like you adjust the

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radar in order to find these targets to

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detect these targets the radar can

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detect everything

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however

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think about the people operating the

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radar the radar needs to be put in a

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receive mode of operation in order to

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discriminate certain targets and it's

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all in the track file so these Radars

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generate something called a digital

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track file and then on the ground you

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have Air Force personnel this is an Air

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Force Radar looking at various displays

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and they can adjust what they see based

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on what they want to find so it's not

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like there's one guy

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an Airman or an officer sitting behind

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one screen and they had to like filter

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for that one screen believe me this

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network they're like many many operators

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of this radar and many many display

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screens each one already tailored for

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one of the expected types of targets

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that could be overflying the continental

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United States and Canada so there's no

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filtering involved in the sense that oh

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we we did not adjust the radar

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correction the radar adjusts itself it

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was designed for non-human intervention

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on the transmit side on the receiver

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side

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that

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Target those targets are distributed to

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all of these screens and The Operators

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can then filter filter quote unquote

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based on what targets they want to see

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and all the types of targets are being

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quote unquote filtered already so I'm

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not sure what Pentagon public affairs

417
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officer meant by we had to filter the

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targets because that's not how Radars

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work a lot of them are driven by you

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know computer programs they're almost

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like AI artificial intelligence you set

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it and forget it like I said before and

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then you can look at various targets now

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what

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I think the Pentagon wanted to say and I

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will put these words into the

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spokesperson's mouth what they wanted to

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say is that we got all of these Targets

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on the receive side on all of these

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displays but some of them we ignored

431
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they didn't want to say that we ignored

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some targets because that would look bad

433
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because they were not important to us

434
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we're looking for like

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Fighters were looking for bombers were

436
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looking for missiles we're looking for

437
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like a kind of hostile intent kind of

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threat threat Target and anything else

439
00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:46,559
like commercial aircraft the squawks

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their signals saying yeah you know I am

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United Airlines heavy

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like such and such we can throw those

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away and oh we were throwing away the

444
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balloons too we're throwing away slow

445
00:19:02,750 --> 00:18:59,700
slow moving targets because even though

446
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we received the signal returns from

447
00:19:06,409 --> 00:19:04,740
those targets we were not paying

448
00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:06,419
attention so what they should have said

449
00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:10,380
is we are now we used to ignore these

450
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targets now we're paying attention to

451
00:19:18,169 --> 00:19:15,179
these targets and I believe that is a

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more correct statement based on my

453
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experience of having

454
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studied Radars six years in the Navy

455
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and 25 years at CIA for third total of

456
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31 years so I think that's what they

457
00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:31,500
really wanted to say

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now let's look at another radar and

459
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Chris did you have a question

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00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:38,460
no I'll go back through your briefing at

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the end that's great I have another

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radar we look at the fifth C or FPS 117

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the other radar that comprises the north

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warning system is the FPS 124 fifth seat

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124 it's nicknamed the seek Frost radar

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and it's aptly named because it was

467
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,260
designed for unintended operation and

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00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:04,320
look where it's at it's places that you

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00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:06,179
don't want to be stationed at if you're

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an Air Force officer and you got

471
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stationed at one of these you probably

472
00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:11,220
pissed somebody off it got stationed at

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these places but you know they're

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they're like set and forget again you

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know unattended and so these Radars are

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on Towers there are also other radons

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there if you see a geodesic radome it's

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mostly like a data receiver kind of

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radon if you look at the radar radon

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that globe that covers the radar you can

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see it's a little bit smoother and

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that's kind of like a key to determine

483
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if it's like a dish

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sending and receiving data link signals

485
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or an actual active radar so the the

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little domes on the ground which

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actually looking at the scale that look

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pretty pretty big you know it's

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unattended radar so when the seek Frost

490
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radar picks up a Target and then it

491
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sends it to the these little domes which

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then sends it to a satellite which then

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downlinks it to

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North American air defense so NORAD so

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that's how that works and of course you

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have the you know accompanying places

497
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:13,799
for the technicians who need to go there

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00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,380
once in a while to maintain radar you

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00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,720
have like shelters for them as well but

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it's really designed not to have any

501
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humans involved at all in the operation

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of this radar so that's the seek Frost

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radar

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now together with the north warning

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system and you have the space force

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00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,000
ballistic missile early warning system

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you have something called space

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situational awareness

509
00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:43,980
and primarily that is the job of space

510
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force what is up there that's flying

511
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everything that's flying they have

512
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something called a space fence and a

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00:22:00,049 --> 00:21:56,880
space fence is located at quadrilateral

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at the Ronald Reagan test center at

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kwajalein atoll and this radar transmits

516
00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:08,220
a beam just just transmits a beam out

517
00:22:13,549 --> 00:22:11,220
all at once and actually it doesn't

518
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:13,559
really turn it doesn't shift turn or

519
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:16,020
anything it actually is designed to

520
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:18,120
count objects that might be up there

521
00:22:21,770 --> 00:22:20,100
because there's a lot of space debris up

522
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:21,780
there and there's a lot of satellites

523
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,100
and one of norad's job is to assign a

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00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:29,520
number to every single piece of whatever

525
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,360
up there including like debris from

526
00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:35,220
satellites that were destroyed through

527
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:37,799
these anti-anti cellulite weapons

528
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:40,200
experiments these tests you know it

529
00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:41,700
creates debris and they need to like

530
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:44,700
number every one of them and so this

531
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:48,120
radar is actually the cine fan beam out

532
00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:51,440
and then the Earth's rotation

533
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provides the coverage so as it sweeps

534
00:23:00,529 --> 00:22:58,200
across and you know quadriline is is out

535
00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:00,539
in the Pacific Ocean and it sweeps in

536
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:02,580
across and anything that flies in that

537
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,940
fan beam it gets picked up it's compared

538
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,159
to something called an ephemeris A

539
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,740
two-line ephemeris and that's just

540
00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:12,600
basically a bunch of numbers that

541
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,659
describe the orbit of that object in

542
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:16,559
space

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00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,799
and it's predictable because everything

544
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:21,900
in space that

545
00:23:26,510 --> 00:23:24,840
is orbiting the Earth must follow

546
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:26,520
Kepler's

547
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:29,640
Laws of Motion very predictable very

548
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:31,620
predictable and so they just count that

549
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,780
so okay this is this particular

550
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,820
satellite and this is that particular

551
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:37,919
site and that's a that's a cubesat or

552
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:41,100
there's a something that is designed to

553
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:42,179
you know

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00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:47,159
whatever whatever the satellites is they

555
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:49,799
know they can like cross correlate it to

556
00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:51,480
not only U.S satellites but

557
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,880
International satellites and this data

558
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:56,159
is shared it's open source you can

559
00:24:02,210 --> 00:23:59,100
actually get the orbital elements of

560
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,220
every satellite up in the sky

561
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:05,039
and it's just a number so you don't know

562
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,020
you know exactly what you're looking at

563
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,120
but the folks at NORAD do know what

564
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:12,240
they're looking at and so that's part of

565
00:24:18,430 --> 00:24:14,820
the space fence which they're building a

566
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:18,440
second one and the Harold Holt facility

567
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:21,240
and North Western

568
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:24,480
Australia so the herald facility there

569
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,200
will be hosting the second space fence

570
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:31,200
as well it's open source so where do you

571
00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:35,520
go to get the data you go to I think I

572
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,700
one time NORAD had it out in the open

573
00:24:42,909 --> 00:24:40,500
that I can actually go there and look

574
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:42,919
for ephemeris but I would say Google

575
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:46,140
ephemeris and find out how that's

576
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:50,220
spelled and t-l-e it stands for two line

577
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:53,700
ephemeris ephemeris tle and you might

578
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:57,240
have some open sources for this data and

579
00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:59,400
in fact it's what feeds a lot of

580
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:01,260
applications on perhaps on your

581
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:03,419
smartphone or on your computer you can

582
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,280
do satellite tracking

583
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:08,159
well how does these how do these

584
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:10,620
applications do that well they can tap

585
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,179
into the ephemeris data that's available

586
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:14,700
open source and that's how you know you

587
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:16,380
know oh there's an International Space

588
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,940
Station

589
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:20,640
so the application itself doesn't know

590
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,520
but the database the famous database

591
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:26,159
that the application Taps into does know

592
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:28,260
and once it's in there

593
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:30,419
unless something extraordinary happens

594
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,419
to it it's a repeatable event so you

595
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,799
know when the passes of the

596
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,720
International Space Station may occur

597
00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:38,400
over your house and you can go out in a

598
00:25:44,029 --> 00:25:40,700
night and look at it

599
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,039
and now we're coming to the end and so

600
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:46,679
now let's look at us space command

601
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:50,580
now a lot of people mistake U.S space

602
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:54,840
force with us space command U.S space

603
00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:59,039
force is a uniform service of the

604
00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:00,840
Department of Defense it is a uniform

605
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:03,720
armed service such as I was in the Navy

606
00:26:08,289 --> 00:26:05,820
Chris you were in the Air Force we

607
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:08,299
served in a uniformed armed service

608
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,320
space force is a uniform armed service

609
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:15,600
there was a space force in the Air Force

610
00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:19,679
at one time within the U.S Air Force

611
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:22,620
but what Congress did with President

612
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,860
Trump's leadership on this he wanted to

613
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:27,600
break out

614
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,960
the space force out of the Air Force and

615
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:32,580
make it a separate

616
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:35,880
Uniform service and that's why they have

617
00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:37,860
their own uniform so if you look at an

618
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,419
airman's uniform

619
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:41,640
or an officer's uniform in the air force

620
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:44,100
that looks quite different from the what

621
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,260
they don't call them Airmen Chris in in

622
00:26:51,070 --> 00:26:48,360
space force they call them Guardians the

623
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:51,080
Guardians of space that is pretty true

624
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,000
Guardians the guardian uniforms of the

625
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,919
enlisted and officers are quite

626
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:57,360
different because it's a separate

627
00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:58,500
service

628
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,500
but it's still under the department of

629
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:03,120
the Air Force so the secretary of the

630
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,299
Air Force is the civilian leadership for

631
00:27:11,230 --> 00:27:08,820
the U.S Air Force and for the U.S space

632
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:11,240
force so that's an important point

633
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:13,860
right exactly I was going to go there

634
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,140
yeah the department of the Navy you have

635
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:18,720
school Sailors like me and you have

636
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,900
Marines and by God if you want to start

637
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:24,000
a fight mistake the two together and

638
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,620
call a marine to say it or say a marine

639
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:27,539
you're gonna have a fight because the

640
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:29,400
Marines are the Marines and by the way

641
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:32,940
folks there is no such thing

642
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,419
there's no such thing as an ex-marine or

643
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:39,059
a former Marine a marine is a marine as

644
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:41,580
a marine there were born Marines and

645
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,740
with permission they will die as Marines

646
00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:46,559
so let's get that clear and if you've

647
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:48,539
been around military folks you know that

648
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,659
very well yeah so yes so space force is

649
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:53,460
a uniform service it's separate from

650
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:55,559
everything else and if you look at the

651
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:57,480
service components you have you know you

652
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:00,419
have Army space you have Navy space Air

653
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,460
Force Space and of course we talked

654
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:04,559
about space force the space Operations

655
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:06,779
Command of the space space force is

656
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:10,620
under the U.S space command and yes

657
00:28:16,450 --> 00:28:14,400
there are Space Marines U.S Marine Corps

658
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:16,460
forces space

659
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:20,520
commands yes yes and at I I can say his

660
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:22,260
name because he's in the public domain

661
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:24,419
and he's part of the U.S space commands

662
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:27,299
command structure the senior enlisted

663
00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:33,120
leader of the U.S space command is a

664
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:36,419
Master Gunnery Sergeant Scott stalker

665
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:40,320
and so he is the senior enlisted

666
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,559
Space Marine in the U.S space command

667
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,840
which is that combatant command now how

668
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:47,520
does that function well

669
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:51,299
you know let's go back to the the Iraq

670
00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:54,419
War we fought two Wars over there

671
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:57,539
in the 19 early 1990s and then under

672
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:01,020
President George H.W bush and then under

673
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:04,200
George W bush it was the second

674
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:08,039
war in the in Iraq and in both times

675
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,100
these wars were managed by U.S centcom

676
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:13,500
U.S Central Command

677
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:16,260
and of course the the famous General is

678
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,539
a storm and Norman Schwarzkopf he was

679
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,600
commander of United States Central

680
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:24,000
Command and as commander of Central

681
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,179
Command he had the Army the Air Force

682
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,520
the Marines the everybody

683
00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:32,399
under his command he had all the armed

684
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:33,320
services

685
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:35,580
under his command

686
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:40,620
and so now space command if there needs

687
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:43,620
to be an action in space

688
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:46,919
then the commander of space command who

689
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:49,980
also heads NORAD can then Marshal

690
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:53,279
together these service components the

691
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,460
uniform services for that particular

692
00:30:02,750 --> 00:29:59,760
issue now hopefully there will not be a

693
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:02,760
war in space but that is the structure

694
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:05,520
that exists that the space command is

695
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:07,799
responsible for space situational

696
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:11,460
awareness from 50 miles

697
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:13,860
and Beyond because the United States

698
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:16,620
defines space as from 50 miles and

699
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:21,299
Beyond and the Air Force has zero from

700
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,539
the runway to 50 miles up because Air

701
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:26,399
Force guess what doesn't exist up there

702
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,059
air you can't fly a fixed-wing aircraft

703
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,120
like your F-16 up 50 miles

704
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:36,120
so that's the difference between the

705
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:39,779
space force and space command and so

706
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,880
with that in mind you know there are

707
00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:43,919
other functional components based on

708
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,740
what situation they might be facing

709
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,440
there's space defense there's a space

710
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,559
defense center space operations missile

711
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,960
warning also the overhead persistent

712
00:31:00,130 --> 00:30:56,940
infrared Center which is important to

713
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:00,140
the UAP issue because the infrared

714
00:31:07,149 --> 00:31:04,140
systems under that Center can detect

715
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:07,159
uaps why because they tend to be Visual

716
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,320
and tend to have signatures in the

717
00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:12,840
infrared which infrared the sensors can

718
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:14,760
pick up so that's also an important

719
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:17,460
component of of eaps

720
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:21,000
under the U.S space command so basically

721
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:23,460
that's all I wanted to say as a prepared

722
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:25,620
kind of presentation kind of like on the

723
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,340
Fly

724
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,279
and so I'm happy to answer any questions

725
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:30,960
you have Chris

726
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:33,539
yeah excellent no that was so awesome

727
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:35,100
John you're

728
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:37,260
your briefings are so good you know

729
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:38,700
obviously you've done that as a

730
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:41,520
professional for 31 years it sounds like

731
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,279
so you've had some practice

732
00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:46,559
yeah excellent so yeah I'd like to just

733
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:48,419
go through it just just quickly as

734
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:49,980
quickly as I can and come up with some

735
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,620
some sort of thoughts that I had talking

736
00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:54,960
through here so this is if the audience

737
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:57,059
can see I'll zoom in here

738
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,539
is basically the European theater right

739
00:32:05,769 --> 00:32:02,460
I remember this is kaliningrad right

740
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:05,779
this was a air defense area basically

741
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,700
anti-denial air defense area like if you

742
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:10,980
fly into this area the k-grad area

743
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:13,740
you're basically dead in the air you

744
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:15,720
know that was this area and then down

745
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:17,580
here if you notice by the Black Sea over

746
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:19,140
by Crimea

747
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:21,299
you know this is another area where they

748
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:24,120
had their defenses system set up so if

749
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,559
you look at Russia

750
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,600
you know Crimea is right next to the

751
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:29,039
really

752
00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:32,220
important Southern Defense Zone

753
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,899
which is quite interesting and I

754
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:35,039
actually didn't know about this one I

755
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,960
guess we just never were you know

756
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:38,820
consider that that they're looking to

757
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,860
the east but obviously makes makes sense

758
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:43,440
so yeah I thought that that was

759
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:46,140
interesting to denote and you were an

760
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,880
expert in this right you were studying

761
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:50,159
this primarily as your many of your

762
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:50,880
years

763
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:53,580
cool I thought that was interesting yeah

764
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:57,000
these Radars the actively scanned array

765
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:58,260
technology

766
00:33:01,970 --> 00:33:00,059
that you're talking about with the the

767
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:01,980
wave fronts that was also the same

768
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:04,980
technology that was on this spy1 radar

769
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:06,600
it's actually in this slide deck towards

770
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,380
the end

771
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,080
so it's that actively scanned array

772
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,720
technology and I found a video it'll

773
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:14,100
take me a second to bring it up here but

774
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:16,019
I found a video that can explain it for

775
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:18,299
the viewers a little bit better so give

776
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,580
me one second okay

777
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:22,559
I lost it take me more than a second

778
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:25,620
sorry okay so I just wanted to show this

779
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:29,039
video on active scanned radar technology

780
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,480
it really explained it really well this

781
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:33,120
is a do-it-yourself sonar scanner

782
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:36,120
practical experiments from bit Looney on

783
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,789
yeah you see there it's so one wave

784
00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:46,320
gives you this one Circle all right but

785
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:47,940
now two waves now you're gonna see

786
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:50,279
there's a combined wavefront

787
00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:57,409
yeah so that's it you know just changing

788
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:59,399
the time here's one and then it goes to

789
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,080
two now you can see they can start

790
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,240
forming these beams and these are called

791
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:05,940
different lobes and so now you can you

792
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,320
can start

793
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:09,899
angling these beams right so you can

794
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:10,919
that's basically how the technology

795
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:12,540
works so now we can

796
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,580
basically filter it even down even more

797
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:16,740
and now you'll see that you can just aim

798
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:37,970
[Music]

799
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:39,829
okay yeah I thought just for the

800
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,460
audience that seemed like a great way to

801
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:44,159
actually Envision it you just change the

802
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:47,879
actual timing slightly and then you can

803
00:34:52,609 --> 00:34:50,520
you can aim that beam or multiple beams

804
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:52,619
actually using those those Radars so I

805
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,430
and of course I can add a remote viewing

806
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,599
story to that borrow Nets radar that

807
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,460
might be of interest

808
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,800
please do I was hoping we'd get some

809
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,720
remote viewing stories in here that

810
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:09,599
would be amazing so this Barnett's radar

811
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:14,400
was to replace the soviet-era radars

812
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:18,300
that were placed on the periphery of the

813
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:19,619
Soviet Union

814
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:23,160
and those Radars were very very old

815
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:27,000
they wanted to update the radar and the

816
00:35:33,069 --> 00:35:30,119
varanet's radar was the update before

817
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:33,079
this radar was deployed when it was

818
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:37,680
probably just a design concept

819
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:40,619
and maybe there were some working small

820
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:43,260
models of it in some kind of test

821
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:46,859
facility that we could not see

822
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,300
before that occurred I received a

823
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:54,960
request to do some analysis

824
00:36:03,890 --> 00:35:59,280
on a description of a device

825
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:03,900
and the analysts Who provided this

826
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,220
to me

827
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:07,920
would not tell me the source

828
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,040
of the information received it consisted

829
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,099
of drawings diagrams

830
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,760
and it consisted of a narrative like

831
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:19,500
someone talking

832
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,680
it wasn't an intelligence report at all

833
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:24,540
so I read it

834
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:27,780
and I looked at the pictures and I go

835
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:28,740
well

836
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:33,119
you know it sounds like this Source

837
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:35,820
whoever wrote this

838
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:40,500
and also sketched these pictures

839
00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:43,800
it's as if this person was actually

840
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:47,339
there it was in that much of a detail

841
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,599
however

842
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,700
I don't know what radar it could be

843
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:52,560
because

844
00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:57,720
there are no images of such a radar

845
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,740
and this was in the 1990s

846
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,900
when this radar actually was in

847
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:06,000
development

848
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,960
and later this radar was deployed as you

849
00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:11,520
can see here it's one of many

850
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:13,619
deployments of this radar

851
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:17,400
and I believe that why I receive was

852
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:21,000
from a remote viewing Source because it

853
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:22,140
kind of

854
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:27,000
viewing reports where you have like

855
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:30,300
notes some of them hand written

856
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:33,060
and then you have sketches accompanying

857
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,680
those notes

858
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,680
and the fact that this other analyst a

859
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:39,660
colleague of mine would not tell me the

860
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:40,859
source

861
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,260
you know normally you say oh yeah we

862
00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:45,300
have a source reporting from an agent

863
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:46,740
that we hired

864
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,800
in this country X Y or Z or you know we

865
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,839
have overhead imagery that we took

866
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,060
pictures of or we have signals

867
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:56,880
that and say was able to analyze so put

868
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,980
it all together John and come up with a

869
00:38:02,569 --> 00:38:01,440
system story for this it was nothing

870
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:02,579
like that

871
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,640
it was strange to get like notes

872
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:07,260
like a narrative a conversational

873
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:10,500
narrative or what whoever source

874
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:13,320
whatever the source saw plus these these

875
00:38:19,310 --> 00:38:16,200
drawings so I still believe to this day

876
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,320
that this was a remote viewing

877
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,839
performed by someone

878
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:24,180
and that I received the results of the

879
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:26,099
remote viewing in order to interpret the

880
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,460
remote viewing and try to come up with a

881
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:32,280
systems explanation for what the remote

882
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:35,220
viewer saw and what the remote you ever

883
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:38,940
described and the drawings is exactly

884
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:42,780
what you saw in that picture exactly

885
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:50,450
yes because the former Soviet Union did

886
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:53,339
not build Radars of this design their

887
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:56,940
Radars were in big huge

888
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:00,079
concrete buildings so the array phase

889
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:04,020
was had a lot of concrete around it and

890
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,700
it was shaped like that but it was

891
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:08,640
within a concrete structure

892
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:10,740
and one of the structures on the receive

893
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:13,020
side they will split the transmitter and

894
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:16,200
receiver separately so you know one

895
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,660
array would just send out signals and

896
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:21,599
the other array some distance apart will

897
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:23,240
receive signals

898
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,320
what the

899
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,260
remote viewer saw was one radar that did

900
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:30,240
both and that was not

901
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:33,240
how the Soviet Union designed its Radars

902
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:35,160
for this purpose

903
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:37,140
so I was saying what is that you know

904
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,700
it's nothing in the Soviet there's

905
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:40,140
nothing in the Russian inventory of the

906
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:43,800
1990s the here it comes rolling out and

907
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:46,619
and so in the 2000s era as I was

908
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,079
retiring all these Radars started coming

909
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:51,119
out when I saw the overhead imagery of

910
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:52,740
that and say aha

911
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:56,280
that is what I was given way back in the

912
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,420
90s

913
00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,640
are there any other examples of of that

914
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:01,380
is that the one case that's why it

915
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:03,480
stands out to you so much is it that was

916
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:06,060
the one case where

917
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:09,180
I surmised the it came from a remote

918
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,500
viewer

919
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:12,359
most of what we studied you know came

920
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:14,760
from you know overhead imagery or

921
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,240
signals collection or agent reporting

922
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:21,599
open source even but this was completely

923
00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:25,619
unique in the way it was presented to me

924
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:29,640
and did it give valuable intelligence I

925
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:30,900
couldn't get any kind of valuable

926
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,240
intelligence other than say that's a

927
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:36,000
really interesting technology

928
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:39,300
you know it doesn't it there was not no

929
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:41,700
collaborating information to go with

930
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:43,560
that report because

931
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,800
likely it was just a test array in some

932
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:48,720
laboratory somewhere you know hidden

933
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,099
away scrolled away

934
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:53,280
somewhere at a test facility and so we

935
00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,020
didn't have overhead of it

936
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,420
at all so

937
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:59,880
these are interesting in that way these

938
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:01,859
are interesting designs too I'm not a

939
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:04,380
you know radar expert but it seems

940
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:06,180
interesting are these unique

941
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:07,980
no I mean that's the way I would build a

942
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,200
radar like this yeah yeah pretty much so

943
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:12,240
in the lower

944
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:15,300
you have a quadrant of of photographs

945
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,940
and of course the top two are like what

946
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:19,680
it looks like from the front and back

947
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:23,220
but for a analyst the most important

948
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,420
photograph is the one on the left

949
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:30,079
which shows the wave guide structure

950
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,820
feeding the array so those are wave

951
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:35,520
guides yes

952
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:37,980
feeding the ray panels those are wave

953
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:40,680
guides and if you look at the pitcher to

954
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:42,599
the lower right

955
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:45,900
the most important picture that those

956
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,140
are the antenna and we can measure the

957
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:52,800
antenna and determine the if without any

958
00:41:58,130 --> 00:41:56,280
kind of signals collection of the

959
00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:58,140
transmitter

960
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:01,740
we can measure that antenna and

961
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,680
determine the wavelength of the signal

962
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:07,440
and then determine the radial frequency

963
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:11,400
of a signal and I would say that that is

964
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,339
about a two meter a two meter antenna

965
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,760
about a hundred and fifty megahertz give

966
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,640
or take well this is two meters that's

967
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,320
two meter wave that's a two meter ant

968
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:25,079
it's a quarter or a half wavelength okay

969
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,940
so it's half of that it's not they're

970
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,560
not going to use the full

971
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,599
anybody who's a hand radio operator

972
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,880
listening now and knows what I mean by a

973
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,980
two meter antenna the antenna itself

974
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:37,079
might be not might not be two meters but

975
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,339
it could be a quarter or a half

976
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,619
wavelength of those two meters and so I

977
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:42,660
would say this thing transmits about 150

978
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:43,740
megahertz

979
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:46,680
which is a VHF or very high frequency

980
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:50,579
radar and why go down there because 150

981
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:53,579
megahertz is like what used to be in the

982
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:55,500
old you know channels through 13

983
00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:58,020
broadcast channels that's closer to like

984
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:00,300
Channel 13 back in the day

985
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:04,079
why do they use that because VHF radar

986
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:06,420
signals are very effective against

987
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,599
stealth aircraft yes

988
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:11,280
that's what I was considering yes

989
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:13,980
because the facets or any of the designs

990
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:16,859
we use originally facets in the F-117

991
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:18,839
Nighthawk and later we smoothed out that

992
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:19,800
design

993
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,099
lock or prevent lock on from an x-band

994
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,040
radar which is what your opponent's

995
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:31,440
fighter plane might be carrying terminal

996
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,200
guidance yes terminal guidance and the

997
00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:36,000
Fire Control radar on board that craft

998
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,300
or even the x-band radar on the ground

999
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,000
that is guiding that missile from the

1000
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:44,160
ground for surface air missile to your

1001
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:46,619
aircraft so that's on x-band and that's

1002
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:52,560
what stealth technology was designed to

1003
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:56,700
prevent that lock-on but detection it's

1004
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,579
very difficult to prevent detection of

1005
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:01,440
any stealth aircraft

1006
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:04,859
at all so they know you're coming but

1007
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:07,020
they can't lock on

1008
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,180
so I don't know if I was a pilot okay

1009
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:11,760
here I am you know I'm coming but as

1010
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,099
long as you don't lock onto me I'm fine

1011
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:16,920
so you know the F-117 that Flew Over

1012
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:20,220
Baghdad The Radars of the time they had

1013
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,380
a what we call barlocks

1014
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,480
while our Radars and have other old

1015
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:26,760
Soviet design Radars they were they knew

1016
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,240
that the f7117 was coming they knew here

1017
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:32,400
comes the strike but when it was over

1018
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,859
Baghdad they couldn't shoot it down so

1019
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:36,900
that all they did was like throw up a

1020
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:38,940
lot of lead up there and that's why you

1021
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,579
saw like the Iraqi air defense just like

1022
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,380
haphazardly shooting everything up in

1023
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,880
the ground and not hitting anything

1024
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:46,800
because they couldn't they couldn't

1025
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:49,800
direct their fire toward the aircraft at

1026
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:52,140
all and so in that case you know our

1027
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:54,119
stealth technology does work but it

1028
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,300
doesn't prevent detection at all so what

1029
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,220
do you so yeah basically

1030
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,619
again for the audiences these larger

1031
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,780
arrays right they're transmitting in

1032
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,240
lower bands so it's very it's longer

1033
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,920
wavelength it travels through the

1034
00:45:11,809 --> 00:45:09,480
atmosphere easier

1035
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:11,819
but you can't get that really accurate

1036
00:45:18,589 --> 00:45:14,819
or you know Fighters lock-ons you know

1037
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:18,599
right is higher yeah higher megahertz

1038
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,200
nine gigahertz Etc yes yes and they do

1039
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:24,660
have range resolution though they do

1040
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,280
something called pulse compression which

1041
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:29,280
I won't get into but when they transmit

1042
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,760
the signal at 150 megahertz

1043
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,520
basically you're saying that within so

1044
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:37,200
many meters

1045
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,260
hundreds like I think 150 megahertz it

1046
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:42,900
is two meters within two meters it has

1047
00:45:48,349 --> 00:45:45,540
resolution you know it's okay meter

1048
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:48,359
resell resolution right so two meters

1049
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,940
but they can use pulse compression in

1050
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:52,980
order to in order to fine-tune that

1051
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:55,800
range resolution so they do things to

1052
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:58,680
the pulse on the receive side

1053
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,780
in order to improve their range

1054
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,640
resolution so they can start measuring

1055
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:03,839
things

1056
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:06,420
and so various Radars would use various

1057
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:09,240
waveforms the Russians love something

1058
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:12,420
called phase shift key now I'm going to

1059
00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:14,339
go into that but the point being is that

1060
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:17,240
the American designers use linear

1061
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,220
frequency modulation on the pulse so

1062
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:22,680
there's two different concepts of how to

1063
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:25,740
transmit these radar signals and so what

1064
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,500
they use is very effective in order to

1065
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:31,260
you know like really track a really fine

1066
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,520
Target

1067
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:34,319
from these radars

1068
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:36,060
so in the hearings that just happened

1069
00:46:42,770 --> 00:46:39,480
last week Dr Kirkpatrick he said that

1070
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,780
all of arrows data that's the all domain

1071
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,520
anomaly resolution office and Dr

1072
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:47,040
Kirkpatrick as the leader was in Senate

1073
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:48,540
hearings with Kirsten gillibrand last

1074
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:51,780
week they said that they have 650

1075
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,220
reports

1076
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:56,640
and over 52 percent of those were

1077
00:47:01,490 --> 00:47:00,180
orb sphere round shapes I don't know if

1078
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:01,500
they said that in the correct order it's

1079
00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:04,859
in a weird order round orbs here and

1080
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:06,980
they were from one to four meters

1081
00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:09,960
and can go from zero you know stationary

1082
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,599
to Mach two

1083
00:47:17,809 --> 00:47:15,359
so I guess for for this type of radar

1084
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,819
and these low band VHF Radars are they

1085
00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:19,920
going to be able to see something you

1086
00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:22,700
know down to one meter even yeah oh yeah

1087
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,599
absolutely yes because of those

1088
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:25,920
techniques you talked about so even

1089
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,720
though they have a red cell a two meters

1090
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,339
they can use these Advanced Techniques

1091
00:47:32,569 --> 00:47:30,960
right because within the two meters

1092
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:32,579
you're gonna get the Leading Edge of

1093
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:34,380
that pulse that's transmitted it's going

1094
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:36,140
to hit the Leading Edge of that Target

1095
00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:39,720
and yeah like something back I might not

1096
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:42,359
see the uh the

1097
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:45,000
shape of the object that is you you

1098
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:47,099
might not it will be a blob

1099
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:49,079
when it comes back to the receiver but

1100
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,480
but using those pulse compression

1101
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:54,300
techniques they can like improve that

1102
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,220
range resolution

1103
00:48:03,109 --> 00:47:59,760
and be able to kind of get some idea of

1104
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:05,750
yeah and this this would be ours right

1105
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,140
this is yes this one operates at 420 to

1106
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:12,660
450 megahertz

1107
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:17,460
so it's a it's more UHF than VHF

1108
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:20,339
and they're improving these by providing

1109
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:23,400
an ancillary x-band component to these

1110
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:24,480
radars

1111
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:26,940
but the main radar being will operate

1112
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,420
between 420 and 450 megahertz it's a

1113
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:33,000
linear frequency modulated pulse because

1114
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:34,859
that's what our radar designers are

1115
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,099
Raytheon love that's what they're you

1116
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:40,319
know that's what they do and so again

1117
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:43,800
this this has some same ability of that

1118
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:46,020
linear frequency modulation they can

1119
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:48,780
compress that pulse to get a much finer

1120
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:52,500
detail of any object that is within View

1121
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,619
and there's batch actually no like speed

1122
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:57,839
limit I mean if a velocity of the object

1123
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,720
is going hyper velocity these Radars are

1124
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:02,160
able to pick it up this radar was

1125
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:05,880
designed to be able to detect

1126
00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:09,720
track and calculate the trajectory of

1127
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:11,819
any ballistic missile

1128
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,740
an intercontinental ballistic missile

1129
00:49:17,809 --> 00:49:15,420
which is screaming down

1130
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:17,819
after it pops off its re-entry Vehicles

1131
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:20,700
as it's going up within the first 90

1132
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,339
seconds or so maybe right afterwards

1133
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,440
it'll start popping off its re-entry

1134
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,260
Vehicles hit apogee the highest point

1135
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:30,839
and then come down on the way down these

1136
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:33,300
things are coming in at eight kilometers

1137
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:36,660
per second which is mach 2223 and these

1138
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,060
Radars can handle it with ease

1139
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:41,339
so you know don't let anyone tell you

1140
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:44,460
that we can't track a Mach 5 Hypersonic

1141
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,380
Glide vehicle being produced by China

1142
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:50,579
we can detect them

1143
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:52,980
uh yeah yeah I wanted to get to here so

1144
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:54,660
yeah basically so what you're saying is

1145
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:57,780
that those Radars definitely the energy

1146
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:00,839
from these balloons these uaps were

1147
00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:03,900
hitting their sensors and most likely

1148
00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:06,300
it was our forces just ignoring or

1149
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:09,020
choosing to ignore yes

1150
00:50:15,470 --> 00:50:12,780
to be fair to space force which operates

1151
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,480
The Radars they are looking primarily

1152
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:17,339
for ballistic missiles

1153
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,460
ballistic missiles and they're also like

1154
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:22,319
counting satellites

1155
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,880
so that's their primary function so

1156
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:28,680
they may not be looking at anything

1157
00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:32,160
slower or smaller than what would be a

1158
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:35,700
ballistic missile or a satellite in

1159
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:39,000
orbit but the point being is that the

1160
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:44,040
radar is capable of getting returns from

1161
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:45,960
an object likeable though

1162
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,680
capable of doing so but perhaps it was

1163
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:51,839
being quote unquote filtered on the

1164
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,260
receiver end that they were ignoring the

1165
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,059
capabilities of a radar detect and all

1166
00:51:02,270 --> 00:50:59,520
they did was to turn on

1167
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,280
the interest

1168
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,319
of the humans on the ground operating

1169
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,720
these Radars and now you will like be

1170
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:08,880
interested in these slow moving targets

1171
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,640
that you used to ignore so that's the

1172
00:51:18,349 --> 00:51:14,520
filter it's not a technical filter it's

1173
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:18,359
a human factors engineering filter pay

1174
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:19,980
attention to this now

1175
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,859
and something that Kirkpatrick said that

1176
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:25,440
my electronic intelligence trained ear

1177
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,040
heard he said that we have all of the

1178
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:31,680
raw data from The Radars

1179
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:35,160
so the raw data is the unfiltered

1180
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:38,579
data so the air you know so we have the

1181
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:40,500
Pentagon spokesman saying oh we needed

1182
00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:42,359
to filter the radar in order to see

1183
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,339
these things and then kerpac Dr

1184
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:47,040
Kirkpatrick and testimony before the

1185
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:49,140
Senate armed services committee said

1186
00:51:54,589 --> 00:51:52,740
that we have all of the raw radar data

1187
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,599
and that's the transmitted signal

1188
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,640
hitting an object and coming back to the

1189
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:57,599
receiver

1190
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:59,400
before it gets filtered out by the

1191
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,319
humans on the ground so he's talking

1192
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,780
about the radar track files the digital

1193
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:05,760
radar truck files has everything in it

1194
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:07,800
if they want to they can go back in

1195
00:52:12,650 --> 00:52:10,619
there as you know go back in in the

1196
00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:12,660
historical records The Archives of these

1197
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:14,220
digital track files and they're going to

1198
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:16,980
find all kinds of uaps in there if they

1199
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,380
wanted to and you know they probably not

1200
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:20,880
want to because they're focusing

1201
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:22,619
primarily on what's now

1202
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,440
you know so and also the ignoring all

1203
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:27,180
this civilian reporting and they should

1204
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:28,619
not ignore that and I think they're

1205
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,300
saying well we want to work with these

1206
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:33,440
civilian organizations you know you know

1207
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:36,599
Kirkpatrick co-authored a report with Dr

1208
00:52:42,609 --> 00:52:40,079
Abby Loeb and you know the key word

1209
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:42,619
there was Mothership

1210
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:45,660
you know it was interesting yeah yeah

1211
00:52:50,329 --> 00:52:47,339
you know that's that's uh that's

1212
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:50,339
interesting so yeah yeah I think one of

1213
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,380
the things that Arrow will be doing in

1214
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,720
order to resolve these

1215
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,700
these objects and that's all they're

1216
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,040
doing just resolving that is you know

1217
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:01,380
what are they and who should be looking

1218
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:02,460
at them

1219
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:04,260
that's the resolution they're not trying

1220
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:06,300
to disclose anything it's not a

1221
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,059
disclosure office so forget about having

1222
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:12,000
any future Congressional hearings about

1223
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:13,980
disclosure and I know UFO Twitter gets

1224
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:15,900
spun up every time a hearing's announced

1225
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:17,099
how are we going to get disclosure or

1226
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:19,260
maybe not this isn't about disclosure

1227
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:21,300
it's about resolution that is please

1228
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,599
identify what's flying in our airspace

1229
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:27,440
and then come to some

1230
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:30,780
agreement as to the identity of that but

1231
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:32,579
they're not going to disclose the gaps

1232
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:35,460
or whatnot it's not a UAP task force

1233
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,640
type of thing but they do look at uaps

1234
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,400
so it's resolution and then who does it

1235
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:43,380
belong to so say yeah these are

1236
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:45,000
interesting and we need to study these

1237
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:47,400
this is someone else's problem

1238
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,319
so they can look at it because they have

1239
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:51,119
more expertise they have the resources

1240
00:53:56,530 --> 00:53:52,319
and they have the people to look at it

1241
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:56,540
and then the others are like

1242
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:59,339
extraterrestrial people catch that he

1243
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:00,900
used the word extraterrestrial in his

1244
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,559
briefing he did yes don't look back at

1245
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,660
this transcripts and he characterized

1246
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:08,520
three categories and the last one was

1247
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,400
extraterrestrial so that's a hint about

1248
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,380
what he's looking at

1249
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:15,720
it is interesting they I they also said

1250
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,099
he also said they have no credible

1251
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:20,480
evidence of extraterrestrial

1252
00:54:26,829 --> 00:54:23,640
let's translate that he has no credible

1253
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:26,839
evidence of these objects coming from

1254
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:29,760
tens of light years or hundreds of light

1255
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:35,569
and his that's his way of saying you

1256
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:37,740
know sometimes when we detect these

1257
00:54:43,309 --> 00:54:40,619
objects the coming out of the water on

1258
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:43,319
our planet going back into the water on

1259
00:54:49,309 --> 00:54:47,160
our planet or coming out of a land mass

1260
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:49,319
on our planet that's not

1261
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:51,540
extraterrestrial that's terrestrial so

1262
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:53,160
what he's saying let's interpret that

1263
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,099
I'll interpret it for Dr Kirkpatrick we

1264
00:55:01,730 --> 00:54:58,260
have no evidence that these objects are

1265
00:55:03,370 --> 00:55:01,740
coming to us from tens or hundreds of

1266
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,380
light years away

1267
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:05,400
reticulate you know that

1268
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,740
the Grays supposedly come from zayla

1269
00:55:11,150 --> 00:55:09,359
reticuling and that's 39 light years

1270
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,160
away he's saying we have no evidence

1271
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:12,720
that they're coming from 39 light years

1272
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:15,420
away what he didn't say and if I was

1273
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:17,339
Sinister gillibrand I would have

1274
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:18,780
followed that up and said well there's

1275
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,480
not extraterrestrial could they be ultra

1276
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:23,040
terrestrial are they coming from the

1277
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,380
Earth are they coming from the oceans or

1278
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,880
from the land mass

1279
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:28,980
are they popping out over the Arctic

1280
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:32,220
Circle and going into Antarctica

1281
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:34,140
we'll talk about that and they didn't

1282
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,420
raise that question at all

1283
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,980
yeah

1284
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:39,900
you mentioned as well when you when you

1285
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:43,380
first came online is that these orbs

1286
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,260
basically there was tracking of these

1287
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,240
orbs through with some sort of infrared

1288
00:55:53,290 --> 00:55:50,400
I guess what was your what is your

1289
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:53,300
what can you talk about the orbs like

1290
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:55,740
very gingerly I can talk about infrared

1291
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:57,540
because those sensors are still flying

1292
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,579
up there right but for a long time we

1293
00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:01,440
looked at structured craft that's what

1294
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:02,520
we saw

1295
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,980
and some of them were like captured on

1296
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,960
radar we had radar evidence of structure

1297
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:08,460
craft we have eyewitness reports of

1298
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:09,960
structure craft

1299
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,079
but we also there were also what I call

1300
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:15,480
light energy ores because their

1301
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,480
signatures tend to be either invisible

1302
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:20,400
light that humans can see

1303
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:22,980
for some reason 600 nanometers or orange

1304
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:24,900
seems to be very popular

1305
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,180
to bandwidth within the light spectrum

1306
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,240
to see these and also infrared which we

1307
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:32,160
can feel infrared but we not necessarily

1308
00:56:37,309 --> 00:56:34,200
see infrared at least humans can't but

1309
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,319
these sensors can but see both Electro

1310
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:39,839
Optical and infrared imagery and so when

1311
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:41,940
we start placing these type of sensors

1312
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,220
into orbit

1313
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,040
that's when we start seeing

1314
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:49,319
these objects

1315
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:52,380
within view of the sensor now to be

1316
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:55,140
clear these sensors are in low earth

1317
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,280
orbit

1318
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:58,559
and some of them are in what we call the

1319
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:01,319
high elliptical orbit so you know at one

1320
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:03,420
part of the earth it's really close to

1321
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:05,160
the Earth and then the other part of the

1322
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,980
earth it flies really high and then it

1323
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,319
comes back down Earth so the high part

1324
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:12,720
the high elliptical there's more time on

1325
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:15,540
target more dwell on the target real

1326
00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:18,180
high so you can determine that okay

1327
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:20,339
that's the part of the orbit over the

1328
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:21,599
parts of the earth that we're interested

1329
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:22,920
in so that would be like the eastern

1330
00:57:26,809 --> 00:57:24,059
hemisphere

1331
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,819
over Russia over China for example

1332
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:29,040
that's where the high high part comes in

1333
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:30,900
and then comes low and the low part

1334
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,780
might be where the downlink stations are

1335
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:36,000
where they dump the data

1336
00:57:39,290 --> 00:57:37,740
so you want to be low for that and high

1337
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:39,300
for the actual collection of the data

1338
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,920
and I can

1339
00:57:45,170 --> 00:57:42,960
yeah to transfer the data faster and

1340
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,180
yeah it makes sense there's a network of

1341
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:48,059
data satellites that relay the data so

1342
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:50,339
basically internet hubs in space if you

1343
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:52,200
will so you can get a little Hub and

1344
00:57:55,490 --> 00:57:53,460
extend your network

1345
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:55,500
you know and you can have like a little

1346
00:57:59,870 --> 00:57:57,660
mesh Network it's it's a mesh Network in

1347
00:58:02,030 --> 00:57:59,880
space to transmit all of this stuff now

1348
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:02,040
get you anywhere on the ground but when

1349
00:58:07,609 --> 00:58:05,099
we had the sensor capabilities that's

1350
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:07,619
when we started seeing the orbs

1351
00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:10,559
didn't say that much

1352
00:58:14,809 --> 00:58:12,660
so the new sensor capabilities and it

1353
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:14,819
and basically join overhead persistent

1354
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:16,200
infrared

1355
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:17,940
really from what I understood is

1356
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:19,800
infrared is really useful for for noting

1357
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:22,380
missile launches I think isn't that why

1358
00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:24,119
well that's that's the original purpose

1359
00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:26,220
of it we had the defense support program

1360
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:29,400
the DSP satellites which are no longer I

1361
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,140
I think they were replaced by another

1362
00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:32,640
constellation of satellites it's called

1363
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,880
seabers space based infrared system I

1364
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:37,920
think Northrop Grumman or Lockheed

1365
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:40,200
Martin that's their bird but we have

1366
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:42,900
that and and also space force and space

1367
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:46,079
space force will it has launched another

1368
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:47,640
constellation of satellites the more

1369
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:49,319
tactical you know let's get this

1370
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:51,299
information to the Warfighter on the

1371
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:52,140
ground

1372
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,020
and so whereas the Sievers might be more

1373
00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:58,079
strategic let's let's let's give this

1374
00:59:01,730 --> 00:58:59,400
information to the intelligence

1375
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:01,740
Community for these long-term issues

1376
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:03,420
that they're tackling when you're

1377
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,680
warfighting on the ground you want to

1378
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,480
know you know what's on what's over the

1379
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:08,880
next Hill that I can't see and you might

1380
00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:12,660
want that type of sensor as well and so

1381
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:15,299
it's it could be sensors on like a drone

1382
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:16,680
for example

1383
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:18,660
that may have a sensor on board or it

1384
00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:20,220
could be aircraft as you know you know

1385
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:21,960
you can have infrared oil on an aircraft

1386
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:25,319
to assist in in Target acquisition

1387
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:28,140
for other weapon systems so the joint

1388
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:30,119
overhead persistent infrared Center I

1389
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:31,980
think infrared

1390
00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:36,420
missile warning is under U.S space force

1391
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:38,220
Delta IV

1392
00:59:46,089 --> 00:59:40,380
which should be headquartered at Buckley

1393
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:48,470
yeah and so you could I've been to

1394
00:59:55,490 --> 00:59:51,000
Buckley many times there because that is

1395
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,500
the Nexus of all United States technical

1396
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:56,880
collection

1397
01:00:01,849 --> 00:59:59,940
that is the place that all of this data

1398
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:01,859
from all over the world

1399
01:00:07,010 --> 01:00:04,440
from the intelligence community and from

1400
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:07,020
the Department of Defense it gets

1401
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,380
sent there and then it then from there

1402
01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:12,240
it gets distributed to the customer

1403
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,000
because they see everything all over the

1404
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,520
world and so space force Delta IV is

1405
01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:22,430
sorry Kirkpatrick he has a background in

1406
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:24,839
space command I know he sent spent at

1407
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:27,780
least a few years working in at least in

1408
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:28,680
space

1409
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:31,260
yeah do you think he

1410
01:00:36,049 --> 01:00:33,420
he would have seen this data you know

1411
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:36,059
that the that the orbs were picked up on

1412
01:00:40,430 --> 01:00:38,339
IR sensors does he you think he knows

1413
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:40,440
about this data I would be surprised if

1414
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,059
he didn't let's put it that way I've

1415
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:44,160
never spoke to the gentleman I do have a

1416
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,900
means to contact him directly but I

1417
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,040
never did

1418
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:49,680
I felt like what can I add to what he

1419
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:52,260
already knows he knows a whole lot more

1420
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:54,780
than I do but he also was the chief

1421
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:56,579
scientist at a very interesting place

1422
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,140
called the missile and space

1423
01:01:02,770 --> 01:01:00,000
Intelligence Center

1424
01:01:05,630 --> 01:01:02,780
it is a Dia center in Huntsville

1425
01:01:07,309 --> 01:01:05,640
Huntsville Alabama the most interesting

1426
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:07,319
place on the earth if you're into

1427
01:01:12,109 --> 01:01:10,619
anything to do with propulsion or any of

1428
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:12,119
this I mean Huntsville is the place

1429
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:14,339
where a lot of it is being looked into

1430
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:17,220
at this time and uh so he was he was the

1431
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:18,780
chief scientist there and I know what's

1432
01:01:21,890 --> 01:01:20,280
in missa because I've been to Mystic

1433
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:21,900
many many times

1434
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:24,299
Mystic has and I think it's it's

1435
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,280
actually it's actually been at least an

1436
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,599
open source they actually had a

1437
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:29,359
Huntsville television station tour music

1438
01:01:35,450 --> 01:01:33,420
they have a working copy of most air

1439
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:35,460
defense systems in the world

1440
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:38,819
and had they been activated and they can

1441
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:40,980
be activated Huntsville will be the most

1442
01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:43,140
defended place on the planet

1443
01:01:48,049 --> 01:01:45,059
because they have everything that can

1444
01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:48,059
shoot down anything there and so I would

1445
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:49,319
be surprised if he didn't know because

1446
01:01:54,890 --> 01:01:52,680
it is the missile and space Intelligence

1447
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:54,900
Center my colleague

1448
01:01:59,569 --> 01:01:57,240
my very close colleague who looked at

1449
01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:59,579
the same radar as I did

1450
01:02:04,370 --> 01:02:02,520
in Soviet Union Russia was a Mystic

1451
01:02:07,250 --> 01:02:04,380
analyst as well

1452
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,260
so I know they are we are very well

1453
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:09,359
connected into you know what's what's

1454
01:02:16,010 --> 01:02:13,200
can be seen by these sensors up in space

1455
01:02:19,549 --> 01:02:16,020
and when I guess when you saw the orbs

1456
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:19,559
was it ambiguous to you you know you

1457
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,420
said it was structured you know I guess

1458
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:23,280
can you talk about this well I would say

1459
01:02:27,230 --> 01:02:25,260
it was unstructured in the sense that it

1460
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:27,240
wasn't your grandfather's flying saucer

1461
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,880
from the 50s you know a lot of people

1462
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:31,680
have seen salsa shapes and other shapes

1463
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,380
Acorn shapes it was nothing like that it

1464
01:02:39,650 --> 01:02:37,200
was a plasma ball of energy

1465
01:02:41,089 --> 01:02:39,660
plasma I don't know it was plasma but

1466
01:02:42,970 --> 01:02:41,099
that's what it looked like to the

1467
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:42,980
sensors there was something that had

1468
01:02:49,789 --> 01:02:45,839
Radiance they could measure the radiance

1469
01:02:53,210 --> 01:02:49,799
from this object they can measure its

1470
01:02:56,569 --> 01:02:53,220
speed they can measure where it fell in

1471
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:56,579
the hyperspectral bandwidth a lot of

1472
01:03:01,250 --> 01:02:58,559
folks out there might be using these

1473
01:03:04,089 --> 01:03:01,260
psionics Aurora Pro scopes

1474
01:03:07,309 --> 01:03:04,099
that's got one channel

1475
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:07,319
980 nanometers that's all I can see

1476
01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:08,640
if you think you're seeing everything

1477
01:03:13,569 --> 01:03:10,859
through a synax Aurora Pro you're not

1478
01:03:16,849 --> 01:03:13,579
because what we have is what's called

1479
01:03:19,609 --> 01:03:16,859
hyperspectral many many many many bands

1480
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,619
and channels of infrared at extremely

1481
01:03:24,049 --> 01:03:21,119
good detail

1482
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:24,059
and some ultraviolet as well so we can

1483
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:27,000
see a lot more into it and so probably

1484
01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:28,559
that's the data that they're looking at

1485
01:03:34,370 --> 01:03:30,500
and so what we saw

1486
01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:34,380
was a sensor output from one such data

1487
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:35,640
source

1488
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:37,859
which since it's still flying I can't

1489
01:03:41,930 --> 01:03:40,440
talk too much about the data source or

1490
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:41,940
you know the characteristics of the data

1491
01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:44,460
source but I think that's where it came

1492
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:45,660
from

1493
01:03:49,609 --> 01:03:47,579
and it's basically I mean you know

1494
01:03:52,609 --> 01:03:49,619
people look at like orange orbs in the

1495
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:52,619
sky guess what from out in space they

1496
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,020
still look like orange orbs I mean it's

1497
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,599
nothing different it's just that what we

1498
01:04:03,770 --> 01:03:59,760
have is instrumented we can get more

1499
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,780
technical collection from our sensors

1500
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:05,760
yeah it's because you look at gimbal

1501
01:04:09,289 --> 01:04:07,260
that's kind of my impression from the

1502
01:04:11,809 --> 01:04:09,299
gimbal object is that it's just this

1503
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:11,819
it's over you know it's it's glaring out

1504
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:13,680
the sensor it's just amazing this light

1505
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:15,900
from this point source that that

1506
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:17,160
shouldn't be able to move like that

1507
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:19,020
shouldn't be able to fly based on the

1508
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:20,460
five observables that we talked about

1509
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:23,460
right and and you know I think there

1510
01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:26,040
might be visual data not just infrared

1511
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:30,599
data but visual data and the asq-228

1512
01:04:35,329 --> 01:04:33,480
was designed for Target acquisition

1513
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,339
and Target engagement you know I mean

1514
01:04:38,450 --> 01:04:36,960
they're all just looking at the tailpipe

1515
01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:38,460
of another plane right getting a heat

1516
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:40,500
signature it wasn't designed for

1517
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:42,359
scientific intelligence collection at

1518
01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:46,079
all so what the nro detected I believe

1519
01:04:53,450 --> 01:04:49,799
was and what Dr Patrick has

1520
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,460
our data that is of instrumented that is

1521
01:04:57,410 --> 01:04:55,440
instrumented that he has more metadata

1522
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,420
associated with just not just a like a

1523
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:59,520
globe that's glowing but more

1524
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,260
information about that Globe that's

1525
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:03,599
going than what he's able to release at

1526
01:05:07,549 --> 01:05:05,460
this time

1527
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:07,559
I see so basically we have tons of

1528
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:10,020
sensors we have a lot of sensors and

1529
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,780
this idea that the Chinese spy balloon

1530
01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:15,119
or another such balloon was just

1531
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:16,740
strolling through without us knowing

1532
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:18,839
about it is is probably not correct at

1533
01:05:22,370 --> 01:05:20,220
least so the Chinese spy balloon was so

1534
01:05:24,049 --> 01:05:22,380
big et cetera but even these other tiny

1535
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:24,059
balloons our systems are still picking

1536
01:05:28,490 --> 01:05:26,700
that up them up right yeah yes that data

1537
01:05:30,289 --> 01:05:28,500
was in it's still in there so we could

1538
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:30,299
go back and look at the data from what I

1539
01:05:34,970 --> 01:05:32,339
understand from from what you explained

1540
01:05:36,589 --> 01:05:34,980
yeah there should be an archive data

1541
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:36,599
there should be archived data for all

1542
01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:39,839
that and you know I mean if the Chinese

1543
01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:42,359
spy balloon stayed above 50 miles if you

1544
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:44,700
can fly that high I don't know about

1545
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,460
Chinese balloons it's

1546
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:49,680
it's free it's free

1547
01:05:54,589 --> 01:05:51,960
you know it's it's not territorial

1548
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,599
you can't claim space the space above

1549
01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:56,400
your country is not sovereign territory

1550
01:06:01,490 --> 01:05:59,579
but you can't claim airspace above your

1551
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:01,500
sovereign country and if that Chinese

1552
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:03,420
balloon dipped into the airspace of the

1553
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:06,180
United States it's target practice

1554
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,000
it really is I mean it's it's the job of

1555
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,280
NORAD to defend the continental United

1556
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,200
States and Canada it's target practice

1557
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:15,839
so I don't know why they waited until it

1558
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:18,480
was over like the Atlantic Ocean I have

1559
01:06:21,049 --> 01:06:19,440
no idea

1560
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,059
apparently there was something else that

1561
01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:23,119
was shot down over Alaska

1562
01:06:28,990 --> 01:06:26,039
that was an interesting but I've heard

1563
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:29,000
the Pentagon public affairs officer

1564
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,099
telling the correspondence that it's

1565
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,559
unclassified oh it was unclassified but

1566
01:06:38,990 --> 01:06:36,000
if it's unclassified how come you're not

1567
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:39,000
showing us anything yes what is you know

1568
01:06:44,329 --> 01:06:42,420
so secret about what you shot down that

1569
01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:44,339
you might have again you might have

1570
01:06:48,650 --> 01:06:45,900
infrared you might have gun camera

1571
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:48,660
imagery of it what is it and you might

1572
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,819
have radar data about it what is so

1573
01:06:54,349 --> 01:06:52,559
secret about that that you can't show us

1574
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:54,359
well you know what the Pentagon did they

1575
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:56,760
classified it you know you have top

1576
01:07:02,690 --> 01:07:00,240
secret guy top secret secret secret no

1577
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:02,700
foreign and confidential there's a

1578
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,920
there's a classification so-called

1579
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:07,440
classification underneath it

1580
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:11,520
and it makes absolutely no sense

1581
01:07:18,430 --> 01:07:15,539
it's called controlled yeah unclassified

1582
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,440
information cui I know I've heard of it

1583
01:07:23,289 --> 01:07:21,119
unclassified information control but

1584
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:23,299
controlled

1585
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:26,220
yeah I've dealt with it before oh yeah

1586
01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:28,140
how does that make sense it doesn't make

1587
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,880
sense it's actually which you know

1588
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,960
the federal government's famous for

1589
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:32,720
oxymorons things that don't make sense

1590
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:35,220
that just doesn't make practical sense

1591
01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:38,160
to the credit of I think it was the

1592
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,460
house armed services committee they

1593
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:44,640
recommended to President Biden in the

1594
01:07:51,890 --> 01:07:48,180
ndaa that this controlled unclassified

1595
01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:51,900
information which is not in law it was

1596
01:07:58,750 --> 01:07:55,260
actually signed as an executive order

1597
01:08:03,190 --> 01:07:58,760
I Believe by President Obama

1598
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:03,200
and elect executive order 13

1599
01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:06,059
556 I don't remember the number but he

1600
01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:08,220
signed it says there's such a thing as

1601
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:12,059
controlled unclassified information cui

1602
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:15,359
and yeah executive order now all

1603
01:08:19,849 --> 01:08:17,219
President Biden has to do he doesn't

1604
01:08:21,410 --> 01:08:19,859
even have to like propose a law to get

1605
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:21,420
rid of it all he has to do is go into

1606
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:23,580
that executive order the stroke of the

1607
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,080
penguin get rid of if he's so

1608
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:28,080
interesting right it's just is that what

1609
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,940
it's at now so so what you're saying is

1610
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:31,679
they they classified the balloon

1611
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,640
shootdowns information as cui so

1612
01:08:39,309 --> 01:08:37,920
controlled unclassified information yeah

1613
01:08:42,349 --> 01:08:39,319
that's what I mean

1614
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:42,359
right because you know I mean what else

1615
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,620
can explain depending on saying it's

1616
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:44,880
unclassified but no we're not going to

1617
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,920
show it

1618
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:48,359
you know I mean I don't know what

1619
01:08:52,669 --> 01:08:51,179
category it's not confidential or above

1620
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,679
it's control non-classified information

1621
01:08:55,970 --> 01:08:54,960
it's unclassified you know but we're

1622
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:55,980
going to control it because we don't

1623
01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:57,420
want you to see this unclassified

1624
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:03,829
yeah you know it has to be released

1625
01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:05,160
through public affairs if you're going

1626
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:06,660
to actually release anything to the

1627
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:08,520
media normally

1628
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:11,819
see I recognize this for sure you know

1629
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:13,859
you said it's an Air Force Radar

1630
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:17,940
FPS 117 this flat plate here and yeah

1631
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,799
I've I've worked I've run a few

1632
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,839
exercises actually as leading the

1633
01:09:25,550 --> 01:09:24,239
exercise where we're managing it and we

1634
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:25,560
had to set up

1635
01:09:29,150 --> 01:09:27,540
this whole system you know and basically

1636
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:29,160
this is going to be a large area behind

1637
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,020
you're going to see you know all these

1638
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,600
structures buildings and these mobile

1639
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,480
containers which act as op centers you

1640
01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:37,920
know where it looks like in the movies

1641
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:39,900
it'll you'll have all your cameras and

1642
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:43,140
and yeah I've even operated this what

1643
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,100
you're talking about one of the

1644
01:09:48,169 --> 01:09:46,440
interfaces because you can select you

1645
01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:48,179
know what data you want right so I can

1646
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:50,699
just select okay remove civilians you

1647
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:53,580
know remove airliners add in these

1648
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,080
different boundaries you know for the

1649
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:57,540
airspace Etc so it really just seems

1650
01:10:02,209 --> 01:09:58,440
like

1651
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,219
all of the data is is there or there is

1652
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:04,560
a ton of data out there somewhere you

1653
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,120
know somewhere and if it's super top

1654
01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:07,920
secret which normally all this stuff is

1655
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,719
I don't think they're just you know

1656
01:10:14,570 --> 01:10:12,000
deleting it you know getting rid of top

1657
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,580
secret information is not so easy either

1658
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:16,320
so it seems like that should be there

1659
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,780
for anyone in the government that wants

1660
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:20,219
to go and search for information on

1661
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:21,540
these hopefully that's what they're

1662
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,880
looking at right and also I should add

1663
01:10:27,709 --> 01:10:26,159
that there is a counterpart to this that

1664
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:27,719
people out there who've been in the

1665
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:29,580
military might know the nomenclatures

1666
01:10:38,930 --> 01:10:34,020
TPS TPS Tipsy and the equivalent of that

1667
01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:38,940
might be the Tipsy 75 or Tipsy 77 that

1668
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:39,960
yeah

1669
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,880
ubiquitous Radars they're all over the

1670
01:10:48,649 --> 01:10:45,840
place

1671
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,659
so yeah you're right Chris I I believe

1672
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,159
that what you say is correct that

1673
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:52,560
there's a lot of data out there that is

1674
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:55,020
being stored in archive and per pack Dr

1675
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:56,640
Packard kind of gave it away when he

1676
01:11:00,290 --> 01:10:58,860
said yeah we have all of this raw radar

1677
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:00,300
data

1678
01:11:04,370 --> 01:11:02,460
and it's in the transcript raw radar

1679
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,380
data so that's what he's alluding to

1680
01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:06,960
that we have the unfiltered radar data

1681
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:09,780
in arrow that we can access

1682
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:11,940
that's very interesting it seems like if

1683
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,280
they could cross-check the actual radar

1684
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,080
data with the infrared

1685
01:11:20,930 --> 01:11:18,000
now you're going to have multi-spectral

1686
01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:20,940
analysis right and that's the job of all

1687
01:11:25,850 --> 01:11:23,699
Source analysis done by the intelligence

1688
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:25,860
agencies under the Pentagon the combat

1689
01:11:32,030 --> 01:11:28,800
support agencies as well as the same

1690
01:11:34,010 --> 01:11:32,040
agencies plus CIA under the odni so you

1691
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,020
you know it's it's really weird if you

1692
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:36,719
work for nro you're under the Secretary

1693
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,880
of Defense and you're under the Director

1694
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:40,560
of National Intelligence so there's two

1695
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:42,840
bosses for the nro depending on whether

1696
01:11:49,729 --> 01:11:45,900
you wear uniform or you wear cotton tie

1697
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:49,739
and so you know there's got to be I

1698
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,380
think there's got to be some kind of

1699
01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:54,960
I would say like Turf battles but you

1700
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,460
know what I'm saying is that they got to

1701
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,800
be some kind of

1702
01:12:04,250 --> 01:12:01,199
process going on where the Pentagon

1703
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,260
doesn't want to release information and

1704
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:06,239
the dni wants to release more

1705
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,620
information and they're trying to come

1706
01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:09,840
to some agreement as to what to release

1707
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:12,780
and so you know

1708
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:17,040
Dr Kirkpatrick works for the Pentagon so

1709
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:19,020
his boss is the under secretary of

1710
01:12:24,890 --> 01:12:20,340
defense for intelligence and security

1711
01:12:26,570 --> 01:12:24,900
his name is Mr Moultrie and his boss is

1712
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:26,580
the Secretary of Defense and his name is

1713
01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:29,640
Mr Austin and his boss is the president

1714
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:31,380
right so that's that's the chain of

1715
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:34,260
command so if you go over on the dni

1716
01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:36,840
side there's only one hop from the dni

1717
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:38,460
to the president and that's the

1718
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:40,199
president so it's closer to the

1719
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:41,040
president

1720
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:44,340
and to like be the like traffic cop you

1721
01:12:48,590 --> 01:12:46,140
need someone at the White House To Be A

1722
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:48,600
Champion for you to have your back to

1723
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:51,540
give you top cover and trying to like

1724
01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:53,940
referee these conflicts between the

1725
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:55,739
civilian intelligence community and the

1726
01:12:59,090 --> 01:12:57,780
military intelligence community and so

1727
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:59,100
that's why you know there's a National

1728
01:13:04,669 --> 01:13:01,860
Security Council

1729
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:04,679
effort into looking at uaps after these

1730
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:06,780
pollutions occurred that's under the

1731
01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:09,000
National Security advisor Jake Sullivan

1732
01:13:14,209 --> 01:13:11,699
so he's even closer to April Haynes

1733
01:13:15,709 --> 01:13:14,219
April Haynes has to call the White House

1734
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,719
staff saying I'm coming over to see the

1735
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:17,280
president can and what's his schedule

1736
01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:20,040
like right so that's how Avery Haynes

1737
01:13:23,810 --> 01:13:21,659
gets to see the president and she's the

1738
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:23,820
dni she's the dni well Jake Jake

1739
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,760
Sullivan just walks into the door

1740
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,920
and uh so now you have somebody then

1741
01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:30,960
walk into the door of the Oval Office to

1742
01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:34,199
see President Biden at any time

1743
01:13:38,810 --> 01:13:37,080
that is now looking at uaps and I

1744
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:38,820
thought that was huge

1745
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:42,540
that was huge and Dr Kirkpatrick kind of

1746
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:44,460
alluded to the fact that you know that

1747
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:46,020
you know we

1748
01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:49,199
we need we have channels you know of

1749
01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:51,780
ways ways to report and we have to go

1750
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,010
so you seem pretty optimistic then I

1751
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,199
guess or at least it sounds like

1752
01:14:05,390 --> 01:14:03,360
there's there is some movement here that

1753
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:05,400
there's a chance that the information

1754
01:14:10,910 --> 01:14:08,280
could be collected to Kirkpatrick and

1755
01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:10,920
then he may you know move it forward

1756
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:13,620
right that's that's his job I mean he he

1757
01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:15,420
needs to look at things that require

1758
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:17,159
more information

1759
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:21,060
and in his position he has the authority

1760
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:23,460
to

1761
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:29,280
of the intelligence community and get

1762
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:31,140
whatever data he needs get whatever

1763
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,420
assistance he needs under title 10

1764
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:35,820
that's the side that's the U.S code that

1765
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,800
manages the Department of Defense

1766
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:39,420
uniform services

1767
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:41,699
but what he cannot do is go into title

1768
01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:45,600
50 that's CIA that's us yeah yeah it's

1769
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,820
mostly CIA there's also elements of

1770
01:14:51,649 --> 01:14:49,440
title 50 under the Department of Defense

1771
01:14:53,870 --> 01:14:51,659
that's the civilian side of the

1772
01:14:56,930 --> 01:14:53,880
Department of Defense under title 50 but

1773
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:56,940
mostly it's CIA so it's very diff I

1774
01:15:03,169 --> 01:14:59,699
think it would be difficult for him to

1775
01:15:06,169 --> 01:15:03,179
get CIA to cough up its data which I

1776
01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:06,179
know it has so that needs to be like

1777
01:15:10,250 --> 01:15:08,219
managed right and so who has that

1778
01:15:12,649 --> 01:15:10,260
Authority well Avril Haynes has that

1779
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:12,659
authority to get CIA to cough up data

1780
01:15:18,410 --> 01:15:16,140
and especially Jake Sullivan

1781
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:18,420
you know under his authority the

1782
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,460
director of CIA and his Deputy directors

1783
01:15:26,330 --> 01:15:23,280
they'll have to like lend any assistance

1784
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:26,340
to arrow and I happen to know that there

1785
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:30,000
are at least two liaison officers back

1786
01:15:34,610 --> 01:15:32,100
in the office that I used to work in the

1787
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,620
successor office it's called weapons and

1788
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:36,239
counter proliferation Mission Center

1789
01:15:41,810 --> 01:15:38,820
that there are officers there that serve

1790
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:41,820
as liaison not only to the UAP task

1791
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:45,300
force prior but also to Errol today so

1792
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,699
there are some liaison going on but as

1793
01:15:51,649 --> 01:15:49,679
far as what information he can get I

1794
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:51,659
don't even know I just know that there's

1795
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:54,060
a connection there

1796
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,040
ah amazing

1797
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,800
let's give Danny a moment to get his

1798
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:00,000
stuff together and then bring them on

1799
01:16:09,290 --> 01:16:07,430
all right I'll take off mute buddy yes

1800
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:09,300
that's it cool can you hear me I want

1801
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:09,960
you

1802
01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:13,320
yeah so yeah that's amazing stuff so so

1803
01:16:17,209 --> 01:16:15,060
interesting we had the remote viewing

1804
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:17,219
example that's that is quite interesting

1805
01:16:21,470 --> 01:16:19,260
I'm sure we'll get different questions

1806
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:21,480
about that and then I learned a ton

1807
01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:23,940
about the The Radars and just how much

1808
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,199
data exists is just can can Kirkpatrick

1809
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:30,239
break through all the red tape or can

1810
01:16:33,770 --> 01:16:32,340
you get some top cover for Avril Haynes

1811
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:33,780
or Jake Sullivan that would be amazing

1812
01:16:39,050 --> 01:16:36,480
so yeah I'll come up with this one I

1813
01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:39,060
mean I actually think the uh the issue

1814
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,340
could impact the National Security and

1815
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:42,960
international relations

1816
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:45,300
particularly in terms of potential

1817
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:47,280
technological advancements or forward

1818
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,260
adversaries involvement

1819
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,640
what do you reckon the implications

1820
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:52,560
would be for the U.S defense and the

1821
01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:55,500
intelligence agencies

1822
01:16:59,930 --> 01:16:57,540
I can say that there's close cooperation

1823
01:17:02,570 --> 01:16:59,940
within the five eyes in terms of

1824
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,580
cooperating with our allies very close

1825
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:05,040
cooperation five eyes however they are

1826
01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:06,900
waiting for our lead

1827
01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:08,219
so they're waiting for the United States

1828
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,620
to to for the United States shoot a drop

1829
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:12,320
and then they'll drop all of their shoes

1830
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:16,140
together and so for example the ministry

1831
01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:18,300
of Defense UK and Whitehall they

1832
01:17:22,610 --> 01:17:20,520
probably have a lot of data but they

1833
01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:22,620
have collected and we know they have

1834
01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:25,140
data historical data because Nick Pope

1835
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:27,960
was there collating and being custodian

1836
01:17:32,090 --> 01:17:29,159
of all that data and they probably have

1837
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,100
more data as well since Nick Pope's time

1838
01:17:35,689 --> 01:17:34,080
I think you're just waiting and waiting

1839
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:35,699
for us to do something and then they'll

1840
01:17:39,050 --> 01:17:36,780
follow through they don't want to take

1841
01:17:41,209 --> 01:17:39,060
the first step as far as our other

1842
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:41,219
allies are concerned I'm sure they also

1843
01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:43,260
have data within the confines of NATO

1844
01:17:47,450 --> 01:17:45,719
it'll come it will come out of NATO

1845
01:17:51,070 --> 01:17:47,460
not directly to the United States but

1846
01:17:53,209 --> 01:17:51,080
through NATO channels but also we have

1847
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:53,219
relationships with our

1848
01:17:58,490 --> 01:17:56,159
our Latin American Allies our friends in

1849
01:18:01,070 --> 01:17:58,500
Latin America and I understand they also

1850
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,080
have a lot of data especially

1851
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:03,719
two countries Peru and Brazil

1852
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:07,380
with data and so I'm sure that once the

1853
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:10,020
United States will come forward with its

1854
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,440
data in some kind of initial disclosure

1855
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:15,360
effort and I don't think it's going to

1856
01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:16,440
be like we're going to tell you

1857
01:18:22,729 --> 01:18:19,739
everything about anything but at least

1858
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:22,739
some admission that what we're seeing is

1859
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:26,159
not non-human technology that's the

1860
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:29,580
first step once we announce that in some

1861
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:32,880
kind of official capacity I believe that

1862
01:18:36,830 --> 01:18:34,500
Latin America will be on board as well

1863
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:36,840
and offering up its data

1864
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:40,199
to the world and so I'm have high hopes

1865
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:43,560
through these efforts as well as I

1866
01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:46,020
advocate for is getting the United

1867
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:49,140
States government out of the UFO

1868
01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:50,640
Monopoly

1869
01:18:57,890 --> 01:18:54,360
it's controlled this for so long some of

1870
01:18:59,930 --> 01:18:57,900
the ufologists call it a truth embargo I

1871
01:19:01,850 --> 01:18:59,940
think if it's more as a monopoly because

1872
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,860
if the truth embargo you wouldn't hear

1873
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,600
anything about this there would be no

1874
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:06,000
Arrow there'd be no UAP task force but

1875
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:07,620
you're not get you're not getting all of

1876
01:19:11,930 --> 01:19:10,260
the details but there is a monopoly over

1877
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:11,940
the technology that may have been

1878
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,760
acquired and exploited from Source

1879
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,280
technology sources like the amount of

1880
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:19,440
materials and parts or if not whole

1881
01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:22,800
craft then we may have access to that

1882
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:26,280
technology if we built something for it

1883
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:27,840
you're not going to see that you're not

1884
01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:28,920
going to see it's not going to see the

1885
01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:31,500
light of day so if the Air Force built

1886
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:34,020
this amazing intelligence surveillance

1887
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:35,820
reconnaissance platform

1888
01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:39,120
an ISR to replace what's in our current

1889
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:41,100
inventory you're not going to see that

1890
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,159
but the source technology is like what

1891
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,320
crashed what was retrieved so forth and

1892
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:48,719
so on let's give that to the civilian

1893
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:50,640
world and let's see if they can do

1894
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:52,440
something with it because as far as the

1895
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:53,880
US government's concerned as far as the

1896
01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:55,920
Pentagon all they're going to do is like

1897
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,420
build something really cool that flies

1898
01:20:00,770 --> 01:19:59,760
really fast and gets there and not be

1899
01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:00,780
seen

1900
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:02,340
yeah that's what they're going to do and

1901
01:20:05,090 --> 01:20:03,960
that's what they I believe that's what

1902
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,100
they've done

1903
01:20:10,729 --> 01:20:07,679
but you know I think there's a lot of

1904
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:10,739
potential in civilian scientists getting

1905
01:20:15,290 --> 01:20:12,780
a hold of this to see if there's some

1906
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:15,300
other technology of that will benefit

1907
01:20:18,830 --> 01:20:16,620
Humanity

1908
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:18,840
and not just a little part of the U.S

1909
01:20:24,890 --> 01:20:22,140
Air Force and so I support that and also

1910
01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:24,900
support and I think speaking to some of

1911
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:27,659
my colleagues who are pushing for this

1912
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,300
we also support the initiative by San

1913
01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:32,880
Marino that little country within Italy

1914
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,580
and project Titan that is to let's bring

1915
01:20:40,250 --> 01:20:36,960
this into the realm of the United

1916
01:20:42,649 --> 01:20:40,260
Nations and let's look at this within

1917
01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:42,659
the confines and the auspices of the

1918
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,340
United Nations which include all of the

1919
01:20:49,310 --> 01:20:46,800
member nations let's get it away from

1920
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,320
any one particular country and so that

1921
01:20:54,770 --> 01:20:52,080
might be the way that allies are our 5i

1922
01:20:57,050 --> 01:20:54,780
partners as well as Latin America and

1923
01:20:59,209 --> 01:20:57,060
Asian allies African allies will be able

1924
01:21:01,130 --> 01:20:59,219
to share this information through the

1925
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:01,140
United Nations because then it's not

1926
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:03,540
controlled by one power the United

1927
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:06,120
States or China or Russia they'll be

1928
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:07,800
more comfortable in Sharing under the

1929
01:21:12,290 --> 01:21:09,840
U.N umbrella and I think we should also

1930
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:12,300
share that what we have under the U.N

1931
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,340
umbrella as well

1932
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,560
Yeah you mentioned San Marino do you

1933
01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:18,239
know what's happening with that did they

1934
01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:20,340
put up so from what I understand the

1935
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:22,199
small country of San Marino located in

1936
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,280
Italy

1937
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,679
proposed to the UN to create a UAP

1938
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,840
office I guess like a worldwide Arrow

1939
01:21:32,209 --> 01:21:30,000
essentially essentially that's what they

1940
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:32,219
did and I have no further information as

1941
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,500
to where they're at with that I would

1942
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,960
think that there'd be other people who

1943
01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:39,120
are more involved who might be able to

1944
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:41,400
answer that more directly

1945
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:43,320
yeah I mean no I'm in Europe so I'm

1946
01:21:47,630 --> 01:21:45,420
closer I should know I guess I was just

1947
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:47,640
curious if you knew yeah I would I would

1948
01:21:54,590 --> 01:21:51,480
go to an organization called i-c-e-r I

1949
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:54,600
sir there are representatives from uh

1950
01:22:00,430 --> 01:21:56,940
several countries around the world

1951
01:22:02,630 --> 01:22:00,440
um it's the International Coalition for

1952
01:22:05,470 --> 01:22:02,640
extraterrestrial research I think that's

1953
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:05,480
what it stands for icar

1954
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:07,980
and of course that's there's a UK

1955
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:09,600
representative an Irish representative

1956
01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:11,100
there are representatives from Latin

1957
01:22:15,890 --> 01:22:13,140
America and Asia all over the world I

1958
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:15,900
did in a their executive committee uh

1959
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,260
asked me to be a guest way back in 2021

1960
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:21,840
before I actually came forward in the

1961
01:22:26,810 --> 01:22:24,780
public domain and so I was speaking with

1962
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:26,820
the executive committee advisor on a lot

1963
01:22:29,689 --> 01:22:28,500
of what I've already revealed in the

1964
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:29,699
public domain

1965
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:32,880
so I I would say that they would

1966
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:36,239
probably be a champion of that

1967
01:22:40,669 --> 01:22:39,239
and then just I got two more questions

1968
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:40,679
let's see

1969
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,420
this one for you John

1970
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:44,159
in your opinion what are the most

1971
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,620
significant obstacles or challenges that

1972
01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:48,540
UFO researchers and investigators face

1973
01:22:53,689 --> 01:22:50,699
when trying to study these phenomena

1974
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,699
stove piping um researchers in the in

1975
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:55,440
the government side it's it's just stove

1976
01:23:00,250 --> 01:22:57,780
pipes as you know Chris there's a lot of

1977
01:23:03,229 --> 01:23:00,260
turf protection classification

1978
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,239
classifications yes and so I would say

1979
01:23:07,610 --> 01:23:05,520
that is the major challenge which Dr

1980
01:23:09,169 --> 01:23:07,620
Patrick alluded to that you know there's

1981
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,179
there's a challenge for him in

1982
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:12,000
determining you know where this data

1983
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:15,540
should go and not die so don't send it

1984
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,060
to some place and let it die send it to

1985
01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:20,159
some place that will pick it up and move

1986
01:23:25,310 --> 01:23:22,500
forward with it and from the civilian

1987
01:23:28,189 --> 01:23:25,320
side I would think

1988
01:23:30,530 --> 01:23:28,199
that it's just this quest for knowledge

1989
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:30,540
requests for anything

1990
01:23:36,350 --> 01:23:34,440
and I'll be very cautious and mince my

1991
01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:36,360
words carefully

1992
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:41,640
beware that the inside source that is

1993
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:43,940
providing you information

1994
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,760
might have an agenda to provide that

1995
01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:50,400
information to you in order for you to

1996
01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:52,620
Champion something

1997
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,620
that were further that agendas calls

1998
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:58,080
because that information in a different

1999
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,600
form might be going to another UFO

2000
01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:02,159
researcher

2001
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,219
and then what you have are two UFO

2002
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:08,159
researchers in social media let's say

2003
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:12,000
UFO Twitter battling it out

2004
01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:14,520
and you see that Dynamic happening all

2005
01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:17,460
the time we have one noted UFO research

2006
01:24:23,810 --> 01:24:20,219
and on another one fighting over

2007
01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:23,820
semantics sometimes or no I I know this

2008
01:24:27,729 --> 01:24:25,260
is real and what you're saying is

2009
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:27,739
completely false you know vice versa

2010
01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:31,440
that's the major obstacle that beware

2011
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:34,679
that there are forces within the

2012
01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:37,380
Department of Defense who do not want

2013
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:39,540
any of this to come out

2014
01:24:46,610 --> 01:24:42,719
they're losing their grip on

2015
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:46,620
the issue they're losing their grip they

2016
01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:49,199
know that you know the clock is ticking

2017
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:51,540
and they know they cannot stop this

2018
01:24:55,550 --> 01:24:53,280
tidal wave happening

2019
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,560
when you have like the White House

2020
01:24:58,970 --> 01:24:57,600
involved in UAP so you have Congress

2021
01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:58,980
involved in the uaps and you have the

2022
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:01,080
dni and Department of Defense involving

2023
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,440
uaps that little segment within the

2024
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:06,840
Pentagon operating

2025
01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:10,080
as its own entity trying to stop this

2026
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,420
you know they they still could probably

2027
01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:15,120
Mount some kind of effort to derail

2028
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,980
everything that's happened

2029
01:25:20,810 --> 01:25:19,199
and I think that's a challenge for UFO

2030
01:25:22,970 --> 01:25:20,820
researchers not only in government but

2031
01:25:26,030 --> 01:25:22,980
in the civilian world

2032
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,040
that you know it's just so many forces

2033
01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:28,320
trying to prevent this from coming out

2034
01:25:32,209 --> 01:25:31,020
but once it comes out it'll be a

2035
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:32,219
Floodgate

2036
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,980
you'll be a fluctative information and

2037
01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:36,719
the challenge there would be a good

2038
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:38,760
challenge you don't know

2039
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:40,860
where to tap into to get the information

2040
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,340
because there's so much of it and so

2041
01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:46,320
that's a good thing I think too much

2042
01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:48,120
information but right now it's too

2043
01:25:52,630 --> 01:25:49,800
little information just a possibility

2044
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,640
that there's some misinformation

2045
01:25:57,470 --> 01:25:55,679
deliberately in the mix because all

2046
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:57,480
these UFO researchers they have a

2047
01:26:01,729 --> 01:26:00,000
following and they're like aligned with

2048
01:26:04,729 --> 01:26:01,739
some hypothesis

2049
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,739
and so if somebody else has another

2050
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:07,440
hypothesis that doesn't align with his

2051
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:09,480
or her hypothesis they tend to have a

2052
01:26:12,169 --> 01:26:10,380
conflict

2053
01:26:14,810 --> 01:26:12,179
and so when the government comes out and

2054
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:14,820
said okay here it all is

2055
01:26:19,490 --> 01:26:17,100
and I believe that some of these

2056
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:19,500
so-called conspiracy theories are going

2057
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:21,000
to turn out not to be conspiracy

2058
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:24,120
theories after all and so all of that

2059
01:26:29,209 --> 01:26:26,520
comes out and then if I was a UFO

2060
01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:29,219
researcher that kind of like dismissed

2061
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:30,659
something and all of a sudden the

2062
01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:32,520
government is saying no it's real you

2063
01:26:35,330 --> 01:26:33,300
know

2064
01:26:37,370 --> 01:26:35,340
I'll be in uncomfortable position to

2065
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:37,380
explain myself how do I think why did I

2066
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,699
think that that was

2067
01:26:43,010 --> 01:26:40,080
not real

2068
01:26:46,209 --> 01:26:43,020
because I said that I have a source

2069
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:46,219
that's a whistleblower who told me that

2070
01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:48,120
whistleblower may have been an

2071
01:26:52,669 --> 01:26:49,980
intentional whistleblower

2072
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:52,679
you know that's a real Dynamic I mean

2073
01:26:57,649 --> 01:26:55,080
that's that's called counterintelligence

2074
01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:57,659
and that's a real Dynamic that occurs on

2075
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,820
the government side of the equation

2076
01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:01,199
hmm

2077
01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:03,420
excellent and then final question John

2078
01:27:06,649 --> 01:27:04,980
you know thank you so much for being

2079
01:27:09,229 --> 01:27:06,659
here you know I'm not paying you or

2080
01:27:11,870 --> 01:27:09,239
anything so what what made you you know

2081
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:11,880
enter as a ufology to go online to get

2082
01:27:16,129 --> 01:27:13,980
you know shot at online on UFO Twitter

2083
01:27:18,590 --> 01:27:16,139
you know what made you I guess become an

2084
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,600
investigator and stick at it I'm not an

2085
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:21,360
investigator nor UFO researcher I claim

2086
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:23,940
that I am a experiencer of the

2087
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:26,760
phenomenon I just happen to have

2088
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:29,219
a top secret SCI clearance when I was

2089
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:30,900
working I no longer am cleared for

2090
01:27:34,490 --> 01:27:31,800
anything

2091
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:34,500
I have no clearances whatsoever

2092
01:27:38,930 --> 01:27:36,420
but the fact that I did have clearances

2093
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:38,940
allows me to speak with those who have

2094
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:42,000
clearances and I would say that much you

2095
01:27:46,729 --> 01:27:44,040
know that Mike there are other formers

2096
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:46,739
that have had clearances and may still

2097
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:48,420
have clearances that you know I can

2098
01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:49,679
communicate with

2099
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:52,020
so I'm not a researcher or an

2100
01:27:55,550 --> 01:27:54,060
investigator of any kind so I dismissed

2101
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:55,560
those labels whatsoever I am an

2102
01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:57,360
experiencer I will stand up and say I

2103
01:28:00,050 --> 01:27:58,920
have experienced the phenomenon in a

2104
01:28:02,330 --> 01:28:00,060
personal way

2105
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,340
but I've also experienced the phenomenon

2106
01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:04,800
in a professional way and so I happen to

2107
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:07,320
know that you know the Project Blue Book

2108
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:11,040
under the Air Force ostensibly ceased in

2109
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,000
69 and it was in January 1970 that there

2110
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,280
were press reports coming out that oh

2111
01:28:21,290 --> 01:28:19,440
you know there was this UFO project to

2112
01:28:23,629 --> 01:28:21,300
study UFOs you know it's called Blue

2113
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:23,639
Book and it's now stopped and they

2114
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:26,159
didn't find anything that was 1970 right

2115
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,520
and then let's go forward in time you

2116
01:28:35,090 --> 01:28:32,400
have 2007 we now know that that Senator

2117
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:35,100
Reid and both late Senator Reid and late

2118
01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:38,400
Senator Daniel in a way of Hawaii helped

2119
01:28:44,590 --> 01:28:41,820
fund what we now know is ASAP and also

2120
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:44,600
was funded in 2007 and took off in 2008

2121
01:28:50,510 --> 01:28:47,760
lasted a few years and stopped

2122
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:50,520
okay so people thought okay yeah so they

2123
01:28:56,570 --> 01:28:54,000
stopped in 69 and they started in 2007

2124
01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:56,580
and I know that to be completely not

2125
01:29:01,790 --> 01:28:59,880
true I know that the CIA has never

2126
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:01,800
stopped investigating and studying and

2127
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:05,280
researching UFOs going back to 1947.

2128
01:29:10,669 --> 01:29:08,400
and I trace the offices where this

2129
01:29:14,030 --> 01:29:10,679
occurred because I was in two of those

2130
01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:14,040
offices where UFOs were studied in fact

2131
01:29:19,370 --> 01:29:16,980
the office I was in was the one that

2132
01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:19,380
where I received the remote viewing

2133
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:20,820
report

2134
01:29:25,370 --> 01:29:23,040
and that was one of the historic offices

2135
01:29:27,169 --> 01:29:25,380
that had the Legacy program its

2136
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:27,179
predecessor had the Legacy program and

2137
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:28,800
its predecessor at the Legacy program

2138
01:29:34,250 --> 01:29:31,679
going back to Roswell and it's going

2139
01:29:37,310 --> 01:29:34,260
forward to what became another office I

2140
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,320
was in where the orders were studied

2141
01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:40,080
as I retired and then that office is

2142
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:41,880
still continuing where those two liaison

2143
01:29:47,149 --> 01:29:44,100
officers I talked about the liaison

2144
01:29:48,350 --> 01:29:47,159
folks are in the successor office where

2145
01:29:53,629 --> 01:29:48,360
I served

2146
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,639
and it's still added so 1947 to 2023 you

2147
01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:55,920
know Non-Stop and it's keep on going

2148
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:58,260
those who said that this is still

2149
01:30:03,410 --> 01:30:01,440
ongoing and still continuing that is

2150
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,420
never stopped the government has always

2151
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:06,000
been interested well that's true that is

2152
01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:07,920
absolutely true and that part of the

2153
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,540
government has been the Central

2154
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:12,000
Intelligence Agency and so I came

2155
01:30:16,750 --> 01:30:14,239
forward to kind of correct the record

2156
01:30:20,270 --> 01:30:16,760
and describe

2157
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:20,280
ways where CIA did get itself involved

2158
01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:23,760
in the study UFOs prior to all set

2159
01:30:28,970 --> 01:30:27,000
which is why I wanted to describe how

2160
01:30:32,270 --> 01:30:28,980
orbs might be studied

2161
01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:32,280
which I know to be based on factual

2162
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:34,620
information so I never released the

2163
01:30:41,090 --> 01:30:38,400
actual like workings so I did have to

2164
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:41,100
include a narrative in order to get it

2165
01:30:46,129 --> 01:30:43,920
past CIA when I submitted the orb study

2166
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,139
CIA said it was unclassified because

2167
01:30:50,290 --> 01:30:48,480
they knew that okay he didn't really

2168
01:30:52,490 --> 01:30:50,300
spill all of the beans

2169
01:30:55,310 --> 01:30:52,500
he kept some of them still in the pot

2170
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:55,320
and we appreciate that so I want to just

2171
01:30:59,090 --> 01:30:56,639
correct a record that's a simple answer

2172
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:59,100
that you know we've always studied UFOs

2173
01:31:04,910 --> 01:31:02,159
within CIA it's been an ongoing research

2174
01:31:07,550 --> 01:31:04,920
we know a lot about more about what's

2175
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:07,560
going on than what we've publicly said

2176
01:31:14,330 --> 01:31:11,280
either through me or through my CIA

2177
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,340
colleague Mr Jim sumiband that he's

2178
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:16,560
still clear and he knows a lot more and

2179
01:31:20,450 --> 01:31:18,900
I know what I know and I don't know what

2180
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:20,460
I don't know you know that old phrase we

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used to use in in the federal government

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I don't know what I don't know

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01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,940
so I just basically yeah I just wanted

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to share what I know and also be an

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01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:30,659
advocate for disclosure that's the other

2186
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:31,980
thing that

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01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:34,560
we should be an advocate for disclosure

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01:31:40,490 --> 01:31:37,020
those who have served in the military or

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01:31:43,070 --> 01:31:40,500
in the civilian intelligence who've been

2190
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:43,080
personal experiences like I have and

2191
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:44,940
also had professional encounters with

2192
01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:47,460
the phenomena in a professional sense we

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01:31:50,890 --> 01:31:49,860
should advocate for everything to come

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01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:50,900
out

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01:31:56,689 --> 01:31:53,699
because there might be some benefit to

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01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:56,699
humanity from the technology that we

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01:32:00,350 --> 01:31:57,480
have

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01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:00,360
so as simple as that it's a long run out

2199
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:04,080
answer but that that's where I come from

2200
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:08,699
no no it's a great answer I think

2201
01:32:12,649 --> 01:32:11,040
yeah I didn't experience in the in the

2202
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:12,659
military I'm not an experiencer actually

2203
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:14,639
have you found it a positive experience

2204
01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:17,940
or a negative experience

2205
01:32:22,129 --> 01:32:19,860
my experiences have been positive it's

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01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:22,139
almost like I was being prepared

2207
01:32:25,729 --> 01:32:24,000
at a young age for everything that

2208
01:32:28,729 --> 01:32:25,739
occurred as an adult

2209
01:32:31,010 --> 01:32:28,739
that I was not experiencing anything

2210
01:32:33,410 --> 01:32:31,020
frightening whatsoever I only had one

2211
01:32:34,370 --> 01:32:33,420
encounter that I would consider kind of

2212
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:34,380
frightening

2213
01:32:40,370 --> 01:32:38,280
because it was with a a being that is it

2214
01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:40,380
manifests itself as

2215
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:42,420
kind of aggressive and I have to fight

2216
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:43,380
it off

2217
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:45,840
and actually the next morning and I knew

2218
01:32:50,689 --> 01:32:48,300
I was awake I knew I was conscious in a

2219
01:32:52,729 --> 01:32:50,699
way and it came at me and I was punching

2220
01:32:55,250 --> 01:32:52,739
it with my right arm and the next

2221
01:32:56,930 --> 01:32:55,260
morning I had claw marks on that arm

2222
01:32:59,390 --> 01:32:56,940
so I was punching it and the next thing

2223
01:33:01,310 --> 01:32:59,400
you know I woke up with claw marks so I

2224
01:33:03,050 --> 01:33:01,320
mean you know a skeptic might say well

2225
01:33:05,629 --> 01:33:03,060
you're just dreaming about fighting

2226
01:33:07,689 --> 01:33:05,639
someone and you clawed yourself

2227
01:33:10,010 --> 01:33:07,699
okay

2228
01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:10,020
but I know what I experienced you know

2229
01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:11,340
and that's the thing about experiences

2230
01:33:15,890 --> 01:33:13,560
that's so subjective I don't say this

2231
01:33:19,129 --> 01:33:15,900
much experiences are something that UAP

2232
01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:19,139
task force and arrow could not get into

2233
01:33:23,810 --> 01:33:21,780
because it is so subjective

2234
01:33:25,550 --> 01:33:23,820
I would make the Bold statement that

2235
01:33:27,649 --> 01:33:25,560
they are aware that there have been

2236
01:33:30,590 --> 01:33:27,659
experiences by

2237
01:33:32,689 --> 01:33:30,600
members of the intelligence community

2238
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:32,699
former and current and members of the

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01:33:39,050 --> 01:33:35,760
Armed Forces former and current

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01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:39,060
in fact if you speak with Naval aviators

2241
01:33:45,169 --> 01:33:42,480
or speak with anyone who've had any kind

2242
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:45,179
of encounter with these objects whether

2243
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:47,760
it be one of the three go fast gimbal or

2244
01:33:53,090 --> 01:33:50,639
Tic Tac some of them did relate that you

2245
01:33:56,090 --> 01:33:53,100
know they had like strange and unusual

2246
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:56,100
things happen to them that there was

2247
01:33:59,810 --> 01:33:57,600
some kind of

2248
01:34:02,330 --> 01:33:59,820
residual effect

2249
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,340
and of course you have skin walker skin

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01:34:06,830 --> 01:34:04,560
walks of the Pentagon where Dr lakaski

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01:34:08,570 --> 01:34:06,840
and Colin Keller Dr Kelleher and George

2252
01:34:10,669 --> 01:34:08,580
Knapp you know documented that you know

2253
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:10,679
there was this skin walker hitchhiker

2254
01:34:13,790 --> 01:34:11,820
effect

2255
01:34:15,770 --> 01:34:13,800
it was this High strangeness with

2256
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:15,780
studying this phenomenon

2257
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:18,719
so I'm sure that Dr Patrick is well

2258
01:34:22,610 --> 01:34:20,760
aware of that but he won't be able to

2259
01:34:26,330 --> 01:34:22,620
discuss that I don't think in in Open

2260
01:34:28,850 --> 01:34:26,340
Session at a congressional hearing

2261
01:34:30,350 --> 01:34:28,860
yeah I can't imagine any last points you

2262
01:34:31,550 --> 01:34:30,360
want to bring up anything you missed or

2263
01:34:35,810 --> 01:34:31,560
you wanna

2264
01:34:38,570 --> 01:34:35,820
just one thing I want to give a shout

2265
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:38,580
out to Steve Bassett many of you may

2266
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:40,800
know Steve bassetty's tirelessly worked

2267
01:34:47,209 --> 01:34:45,600
this issue as a lobbyist in fact to get

2268
01:34:50,330 --> 01:34:47,219
this out into the open from the

2269
01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:50,340
government and I recently spoke with

2270
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:53,820
Steve Bassett in person in San Francisco

2271
01:35:00,890 --> 01:34:57,360
in March and I thanked him for all of

2272
01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:00,900
his work and now he's saying months not

2273
01:35:06,530 --> 01:35:02,940
years for disclosure that's what he's

2274
01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:06,540
saying the hashtag months not years and

2275
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:09,659
I just want to say Steve that's I I not

2276
01:35:13,129 --> 01:35:11,280
only do I have High Hopes but I think

2277
01:35:15,290 --> 01:35:13,139
that you'll be proven right

2278
01:35:17,689 --> 01:35:15,300
that would be months not years for some

2279
01:35:19,490 --> 01:35:17,699
initial disclosure to occur

2280
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,500
and not just like we don't know what

2281
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:21,360
they are they could be adversary I don't

2282
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:23,520
know we just said no I I think that kind

2283
01:35:26,810 --> 01:35:25,679
of talk is is gone I think that needs to

2284
01:35:29,149 --> 01:35:26,820
be left behind

2285
01:35:30,890 --> 01:35:29,159
and the government needs to say that

2286
01:35:33,410 --> 01:35:30,900
what we're seeing is non-human

2287
01:35:36,350 --> 01:35:33,420
technology at least that much

2288
01:35:38,450 --> 01:35:36,360
I think that will occur real soon

2289
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:38,460
wow that's amazing that'll probably be

2290
01:35:41,390 --> 01:35:40,080
the title

2291
01:35:43,790 --> 01:35:41,400
of the interview

2292
01:35:45,890 --> 01:35:43,800
thanks so much Sean thank you thank you

2293
01:35:48,830 --> 01:35:45,900
Chris for having me thank you so much

2294
01:35:51,709 --> 01:35:48,840
for watching thanks to all these patrons

2295
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2296
01:35:56,750 --> 01:35:54,060
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2297
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:56,760
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01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,980
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01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:00,960
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